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Description Yes, I know it was more than two weeks ago xD I just didn’t have enough time to finish this.

Unpopular opinion alert: I genuinely think the second movie was better than the first in terms of plot and character development. This is my personal opinion of course, and more or less a matter of taste, but to explain it further, there are two main reasons why I – personally – find it to be better (Sorry for my English if it’s not perfect, I’m not a native speaker):

First, I like it for its narrative. Not only is the storyline interesting, but it also has an incredibly important message – try to be compassionate. Don’t jump to judge others, but try to understand them. Don’t always assume the worst of someone’s motives. Caution is good, but prejudice is wrong. Give others and yourself a chance. And no one should be considered irredeemably evil. The movie walks away from black and white morality, and it’s amazing. You don’t frequently see this in children’s entertainment, and that’s why it’s so important.

Second, I love the characterizations. Unlike the first movie which was first and foremost about Simba and was focused on his journey, in the second movie we see the development and journeys of many characters. We see how everything that happened affected Simba, despite him having learned the truth. We see Kiara’s conflict over her identity. We see why Zira wants revenge. We see Kovu’s struggle for real independence. We see what constant abuse did to Nuka.  We see the Outsiders’ reasons for fighting. The movie shows so much in so little time.

I can say a lot more here, but to me, it kind of boils down to substance vs. form. The first movie’s ‘form’ is stellar – the visuals, the dialogue; it definitely wins here. But I vastly prefer the less refined and polished movie for its storyline and character development. You could argue that it can’t be better simply because it builds upon the first movie, but it doesn’t just do that – it also does its own thing. It has its own narrative, it has completely new character development, and most importantly, it has its own message. A message that I’d love to see more often.

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Art (c) blueiceflower

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Mlpmorningwonder [2024-01-13 06:23:59 +0000 UTC]

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MauEvig [2022-10-09 18:41:11 +0000 UTC]

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iceflowerglow In reply to MauEvig [2022-10-09 20:03:59 +0000 UTC]

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PaleonProductions [2021-05-20 18:48:14 +0000 UTC]

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iceflowerglow In reply to PaleonProductions [2021-05-22 18:54:15 +0000 UTC]

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PaleonProductions In reply to iceflowerglow [2021-05-22 20:00:52 +0000 UTC]

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roikovu2 [2020-12-16 06:06:17 +0000 UTC]

Can I take this art for my Instagram account
I go to credit you

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FluffyKratt [2020-05-22 16:25:04 +0000 UTC]

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SavageDronkey [2020-05-09 10:31:51 +0000 UTC]

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iceflowerglow In reply to SavageDronkey [2020-05-09 19:28:05 +0000 UTC]

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Anthone795 [2019-12-20 00:23:18 +0000 UTC]

We wish those hyenas Shenzi, Banzai, and Ed appeared to team up with Zira and the Outsiders.

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SavageDronkey In reply to Anthone795 [2020-05-10 04:52:16 +0000 UTC]

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OfficialStigma [2019-09-19 16:47:18 +0000 UTC]

Great piece! And while I do like the first movie better, I absolutely, gushingly love TLK2. Its a shame that Hanz Zimmer couldn't reprise his score for the second one, since that is one of my favorite elements of the first one, but the score was good. And the animation is still very good for a direct to DVD sequel. The relationship between Kovu and Kiara, while nowhere near perfect or developed enough, was still more developed than Nala and Simba I think. Also Zira is super underrated as a villian. So even with the whole "Kimba controversy" thing with the first one, I still prefer it, but TLK2 was a worthy follow up for what it was.

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iceflowerglow In reply to OfficialStigma [2019-09-23 15:36:29 +0000 UTC]

Thank you!

Yeah, I think that a lot of people who criticise the movie for being less 'refined' than the first one forget that it was a sequel, therefore, lower budget. Still, they did their best with it.

And I agree about Kiara and Kovu vs. Simba and Nala. The movie shows quite clearly why Kiara and Kovu were drawn to each other, that only with each other they could be themselves rather than what they were told they were "supposed" to be.

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Sukala-AP [2019-01-26 12:58:25 +0000 UTC]

Holy duly!!! That looks absolutely incredible! That atmosphere, those colors, the shading... LUV LUV LUV LUV!! I can definitely notice with my eagle eye that there's some touch of semi-realism in this piece! I mean, not only by the fur textures, but also the slightly noticeable whiskers that we even see on the female characters! And you've drawn Rafiki just right!! Oh well, everything's fantastic in this piece of fanart! Excellent work there, fellow!

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iceflowerglow In reply to Sukala-AP [2019-01-27 16:37:25 +0000 UTC]

OMG, thank you!! I'm glad you noticed, I wanted to add some realistic details, especially whiskers for all lion characters

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SuperMarioFan65 [2019-01-20 00:08:46 +0000 UTC]

I love this movie.

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Frog-Whisperer [2018-12-19 20:06:06 +0000 UTC]

The way this is framed its as if both sides are really angry at Rafiki for some reason haha!

(I personally don't like the second movie, but I love this artwork!)

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iceflowerglow In reply to Frog-Whisperer [2018-12-23 16:58:26 +0000 UTC]

Lol, but why wouldn’t they be angry at him, he’s plotting something behind their backs and wants them to make peace, but they’re all “Peace? With them?!” xD

Thanks!

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Gone-Goodbye [2018-11-18 13:18:28 +0000 UTC]

Damn, I feel old, lol.
Still love that movie and always will.

You've done a great job with the details.

As for the movie itself, the only thing I'm disappointed about, that Kiara's childhood was short, not enough screentime since I love her more as a cub than her older self.
As for The Lion King franchise, I actually like the first one as much as the sequel, but the 3rd movie was a huge let-down since I've wanted to see more of Kiara's childhood or a spin-off of Kiara and Kovu instead of the Timon and Pumbaa series.

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iceflowerglow In reply to Gone-Goodbye [2018-11-19 14:47:09 +0000 UTC]

Thank you!

I agree, the third movie wasn’t really the same thing. It has its own moments, I guess, but doesn’t exactly work as an addition to the movies’ storyline.

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Gone-Goodbye In reply to iceflowerglow [2018-11-19 17:08:43 +0000 UTC]

No prob.

Then it shouldn't be called Lion King 3 when it has nothing to do with the lions.

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Flyers4Life [2018-11-16 13:29:05 +0000 UTC]

Wow !! This looks incredible !! I love the “painted” looking style !! You have very good talent !! 

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iceflowerglow In reply to Flyers4Life [2018-11-16 16:28:02 +0000 UTC]

Thank you so much  

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Flyers4Life In reply to iceflowerglow [2018-11-17 00:02:25 +0000 UTC]

You’re quite welcome, dear !!

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ChantalDR [2018-11-12 16:17:57 +0000 UTC]

WoW! Very well done! Looks amazing without the outline!

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iceflowerglow In reply to ChantalDR [2018-11-12 16:26:41 +0000 UTC]

Thank you!  

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dacostpa [2018-11-12 06:56:26 +0000 UTC]

BEAUTIFUL pic, and a very compelling argument too! I REALLY enjoy "Simba's Pride" as well! It's a WONDERFUL movie, and a true credit to the legacy of "The Lion King". AWESOME JOB!!!!!


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iceflowerglow In reply to dacostpa [2018-11-12 15:50:14 +0000 UTC]

Thank you, I'm glad you like it!

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KHwhitelion [2018-11-10 13:44:55 +0000 UTC]

I agree with everything here. So much. And I love LOVE this piece too, it's so epic!

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iceflowerglow In reply to KHwhitelion [2018-11-11 15:20:27 +0000 UTC]

Thank you so much!!

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Vtoony [2018-11-09 16:05:52 +0000 UTC]

Your artwork is on point as usual, but I'd like to go into greater detail of what makes your artwork here so much more intriguing and interesting to me. The expressions of everyone here are astounding and it blows me away of how you managed to capture the overall emotion the characters have throughout the entire film. Simba, Nala, Zira, and Zazu all hold looks of anger and resentment towards one another, while for the cubs and Nuka it's a different story. Kiara looks at her father with a rebellious, determined, yet also unsure expression, Vitani holds her mother's anger, Kovu seems shocked that he is being pulled into all this, and with Nuka, man oh man, from his sad expression to the bags under his eyes, it illustrates perfectly the pain eh feels to be in this place, suffering, desperately trying to achieve his mother's attention and affection, when ti is ultimately a pointless and fruitless endeavor. In addition, I do really like your addition of Rafiki as the peacemaker in the middle, trying to get who is supposed to be the good guys here to see reason.

I also would like to take a moment to discuss your, well, discussion down below. I do agree with how this film walked away from the black and white conflict, as neither side is completely good or evil. Sure, the Outlanders did try to take over the Pridelands and destroy the Pridelanders, yet they were only doing so because they did not realize that there was another way to get out of the current situation they were in, and that their leader was indeed leading them down a path with little to no regard for their well being. Simba and the Pridelanders may have been right in terms of how they were maintaining the Circle of Life and by setting rules in order to keep those inside the Pridelands, especially Kiara, safe. Yet that doesn't excuse the fact that they technically did exile cubs into a barren, unforgiving wasteland.

Overall, congratulation on who you managed to capture the very essence of the film into this picture. I adore the film for the same reasons you and I'm glad we can both enjoy it, while still having our own reasons of looking at it.

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iceflowerglow In reply to Vtoony [2018-11-09 20:41:22 +0000 UTC]

You described my idea perfectly! Every little thing here I wanted to show the general mood of the movie and characters, and a bit of each character’s story reflected here.

It’s true. I can absolutely understand Simba here and I feel for him, he’s been through a lot and I can see why he and the other Pridelanders wanted to get rid of any potential threat. It was an understandable and rational decision indeed. But the fact that Simba exiled them to the Outlands, specifically, and apparently confined them there (including cubs who couldn’t yet make their own choices), with little food and water, that crossed the line. And after the collective punishment exile to place like that, it’s also not surprising that the Outsiders wanted to take over initially… But when they were given the chance to join, even under Simba’s leadership, they chose peace and their own well-being over ideology of hatred.

And thank you so much! Your comments are always a delight to read

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Miss-Barker [2018-11-09 13:48:25 +0000 UTC]

I can't believe this movie is 20 years old now. Seems like it was only yesterday when I got the VHS tape for Christmas.

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iceflowerglow In reply to Miss-Barker [2018-11-09 19:46:15 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, it doesn't feel like so long ago for some reason...

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XUhuruX [2018-11-09 10:15:13 +0000 UTC]

I always loved TLK SP more than the first one, even as a child the second movie's storyline seemed more interesting and fuller of different events and character developments. Also, Kovu and Kiara's relationship wasn't rushed while Simba and Nala's in the first movie was like "Hey, I haven't seen you in years and until few hours ago I thought you were dead but screw that let's fall in love and do the other stuff!". So yeah, the second movie made me feel more with the characters.  

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Dragons-forever-4 In reply to XUhuruX [2019-02-18 08:48:21 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, that’s exactly what I feel about those two relationships.

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iceflowerglow In reply to XUhuruX [2018-11-09 16:53:04 +0000 UTC]

“the second movie's storyline seemed more interesting and fuller of different events and character developments”

Yes, yes! That’s exactly what I like about this movie, it’s very entertaining and dynamic, but also gives some food for thought.

When I first watched the second movie as a kid, I practically watched it as a standalone, because I had only vague memories of watching the first movie when I was a very small child. And it still worked for me as a standalone, while the first movie quite disappointed me when I rewatched it. It was good, but… not as good as people usually say. I felt the middle part of the movie was kind of lackluster after a good start

Yeah, the romance thing. Even though Simba and Nala probably developed that connection in more than a few days, we don’t really know what that connection was based on, other than that they were friends as kids. With Kiara and Kovu, even though their developing feelings for each other happened in a rather compressed timeframe (a few days, probably), we at least can tell what had drawn them to each other so much. Not only had they associated each other with good experiences they got when they first met (they had both met someone who was interested in them for who they were, not their mission/destiny or anything), they also had these experiences reinforced as adults. (That’s also why Kiara snapped at Simba so badly when he suggested that Kovu was only using her because she was his daughter. “He loves me for me!”)

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XUhuruX In reply to iceflowerglow [2018-11-10 09:32:27 +0000 UTC]

Yup. Not only was more interesting, the soundtrack was kinda better than the first one. Not that the first movie's soundtrack sucked, but still.

About the romance, I meant that, it always seemed so rushed to me because Nala immediately goes "I really missed you." and then "Can you feel the love tonight" plays. I mean I get that she sees her friend after many years while she thought he was dead, but to go romantic that quick seemed rushed. But at the end I do kinda like them as a couple. 
Kovu and Kiara's romance was different. Yes they fell for each other in a few days, but what's unique about them is they never gave up on each other no matter that their families were at war. Not to mention that falling for Kiara made Kovu turn away from his marked evil path. They never judged one another based on their families' past, free of prejudice. So that's what I love about them and why they're my favorite TLK couple.

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iceflowerglow In reply to XUhuruX [2018-11-11 18:22:08 +0000 UTC]

This is true… They make a nice couple, but we don’t really see how their relationship developed into romance.

Yes, it’s amazing that despite their parents trying to instill the prejudice in them, Kiara and Kovu managed to break free of that mindset and see each other as individuals. I think that’s exactly why Kovu switched sides so easily, Kiara was the pretty much the first one in his life who saw him as an individual as opposed to a tool in someone else’s hands (his mother’s/destiny’s/ideology’s, etc.)

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XUhuruX In reply to iceflowerglow [2018-11-12 18:42:30 +0000 UTC]

Yup and that's why Kiara's my fave character. ^^

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Dragons-forever-4 In reply to XUhuruX [2019-02-18 08:54:03 +0000 UTC]

She’s my fav character to.

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StarGeek127 [2018-11-08 18:21:52 +0000 UTC]

This piece is absolutely gorgeous! Fantastic job!

I love both TLK movies equally but the 2nd definitely takes the win for me when concerning the soundtrack.

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iceflowerglow In reply to StarGeek127 [2018-11-08 19:24:35 +0000 UTC]

Thank you!!

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the soundtrack! I think most of the songs were amazing, I especially like some of them in other languages

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Namirithecheepard [2018-11-08 15:29:37 +0000 UTC]

This pic is so beautiful!

I completely agree with you here, I actually love TLK 2 because of the message in it and also because it shows the journey of different characters instead of one! Like Louis-Robinson said, people hate it cause of the colors they gave for the characters. Idk what is the big deal about the colors there, I mean yeesh! >:'c

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iceflowerglow In reply to Namirithecheepard [2018-11-08 19:23:22 +0000 UTC]

Thank you so much!


Yeah, I personally can't understand why the colors are so much of a problem. If the movie is engaging and entertaining, the colors are probably the last thing I will think about xD By the way, some of the color changes could be explained simply by characters aging, like Simba's darker coloration. I also like the character designs for the new characters from the movie, they are quite unique.

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Namirithecheepard In reply to iceflowerglow [2018-11-08 19:27:20 +0000 UTC]

Your welcome!

Lol exactly! Like, I find nothing wrong with the colors. Actually, I never thought about how Simba looks very different, I am just too focused on the movie. XD
Idk WHY people hate sequels so much! I mean, TLK 2 was so amazing, maybe because of those nice songs and awesome characters X3

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iceflowerglow In reply to Namirithecheepard [2018-11-09 17:27:31 +0000 UTC]

The hatred for all sequels ever is probably just snobbism xD I mean, I’ve legit seen people call other fans idiots and other unflattering things for preferring the sequel to the original.

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Namirithecheepard In reply to iceflowerglow [2018-11-09 17:32:19 +0000 UTC]

I happen to be one of those people who prefers the sequel! XDD

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iceflowerglow In reply to Namirithecheepard [2018-11-09 19:08:08 +0000 UTC]

Seems like we're in this together, then xD

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