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This pretty much sums up the logic behind fighters who tank them and why they won in DB.*Especially what made Yang Xiao Long the winner against Tifa's Final Heaven which is as strong as a nuclear explosion according to FF Guides*
*Link vs Cloud is also this, in part*
Yeah, this is already made in the forums of SA as a joke but I wanna join in the fun.
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Bitch please.
Everyone knows MLG Feats are the strongest feats of them all, you pillar wanker.
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Hmm, being thrown through a reinforced concrete pillar, causing it to shatter by your impact alone let alone multiple ones especially in succession as well as tanking the attack that caused it.
Oh yeah, I did that ysterday with me and my friends. One of them nudged me and I went flying through 256 of them. But tehy were like marshmellows. Now, I gotta go Satan's doing roll call.
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>Tifa's Final Heaven which is as strong as a nuclear explosion according to FF Guides*
Let me debunk this in isolation real fast:Β No. There's basically nothing in the game, mechanics-wise or lore-wise, that suggests what the writer from the strategy guide made up out of thin air
There are other legitimate criticisms over the calculations of Tifa's punches, but they are NOT A-bomb level
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I'm sorry but that guide spoke about many things that points out to game-lore including the fact that Tifa won against Scarlet easily. Moreover you can't ignore other sources just because you think they're not correct. Besides, read my journal and see for yourself that this claim did not contradict what was said about Tifa's FH because I posted the link to Tifa's profile in Ultimania.
Also, my gamer friends who also got involved with this debate agree with this. I'm more inclined to believe them because they already proved to me via the actual game mechanics by showing proof that Tifa's game mechanics is stronger than Cloud. Anywhere I go, nobody contradicted this and the proof was handed to me yesterday. So unless you have a link to justify why Tifa's punch is not A-level, this conversation is moot. I want actual evidence.
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Lemme rewrite my second comment:
Basically what I'm saying is that while the total energy output of Final Heaven clearly does not equal an A-bomb, the damage-per-square-inch of Final Heaven might very well equal the damage-per-square-inch of an A-bomb. (because she is still causing an explosion with her fist, that is phenomenal)
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You know I'm not an expert with all that A-level bomb or whatever. However, how would her attack not equal to a nuke punch if she had to defeat a WEAPON bigger than any building and far stronger than any monsters and still affect it? Yeah I know that it's because WEAPONs are that strong but using this analogy: how would Tifa not be continental offensively but continental defensively? That doesn't make any sense. Yeah she's continental as well as the gang within the game.
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I'm unclear exactly what you're talking about here.
...are you talking about the fact that Tifa can be hit by the laser attacks of the WEAPONs and not die?
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Tank Sephiroth's TK which is calculated as continental by two people. And yes, as well as damage it.
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I recognize that the WEAPONs have continental scale weapons, but IIRC the fact that they don't make more continental-scale craters as you fight them pretty much spells out that they're using they're more focused, technically-less-powerful attacks that are actually designed to fight infantry (their attacks might run on the same-damage-but-over-less-area principle I mentioned earlier)
I'm not going to get into the debate over how much power it takes to destroy a WEAPON because that would require speculation on armor types and metallurgy that literally do not exist in real life. It could be anything from punching through their frontal armor (which requires continent-scale attacks) to sneaking attacks through the seams (which wouldn't)
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Yeah. The headaches too.
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I will, however, say that Final Heaven does have one obvious advantage: no matter how powerful it is, it's a lot more focused than the radial disbursement of a bomb. Bombs lose a lot of their energy blowing up in every direction other than what you wanted them to kill. Final Heaven puts its damage only where you need it. So depending on the circumstances it could easily be as deadly as a nuke
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So depending on the circumstances it could easily be as deadly as a nuke
It may as well be on par to it.
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Here is the mushroom cloud caused by Final Heaven, as stylized in the Dissidia games:Β www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFETOGβ¦
It's hard to tell the size of the mushroom cloud, but it's kind of irrelevant, because it's a LOT smaller than the next one...
Here is a mock-up of the mushroom cloud that formed over Hiroshima (superimposed over San Francisco):Β blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/wp-conβ¦
That cloud was 60,000 ft (18 km) tall
I don't even need to get into formal rhetoric to spell out the implications here
Simply put, Final Heaven does not output an A-bomb. It is not a weak attack, not even close, but it is not outputting 20 kilotons of TNT either
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The mushroom cloud in Dissidia is inconsistent because it adjusts to any enemies in size. Which means that we can never be certain if we only would follow that game. We have to consider the in-game fight between the WEAPONs too.
In any case, will be able to shed light about this better than I can.
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Question. Does anyone believe that Yang's pillar feat was due to plot armor? I mean other franchises use it so why not RWBY?
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Excellent meme! I shared the following on many youtube reaction to YvT DB and the real one. People deserve to know these calculations and realize how badly SA messed up.Β
Screwattack (Death Battle) was partners with RoosterTeeth (RWBY creators) of course they were going to make Yang win. This is a revaluation of Tifa's attack power on Screwattack. The stats are not even close. www.screwattack.com/post/51231β¦ These numbers were omitted to make sure Tifa lost, Yang couldn't have survived this and her win via the pillar feat would have been impossible. Tifa's attack power as follows:
- 53 tons-force * 7.6) * 4 (PH's special ability at full Limit Bar) = 4,651.2 tons-force (Normal attacks/punch/kick)
- 651.2 tons-force (Tifa's normal strength while wearing fully charged PH) * 1.25 (Beat Rush)) * 2 (Yeah!) = 11,628 tons-force
- 651.2 * 1.375 (Somersault)) * 2 = 12,790.8 tons-force
- 651.2 tons-force * 1.5 (Waterkick)) * 2 = 13,953.6 tons-force
- 651.2 tons-force * 1.625 (Meteodrive)) * 2 = 15,116.4 tons-force
- 651.2 tons-force * 1.75 (Dolphin Blow)) * 2 = 16,279.2 tons-force
- 651.2 tons-force * 1.875 (Meteor Strike)) * 2 = 17,442 tons-force
- 651.2 tons-force * 2.625 (Final Heaven)) * 2 = 24,418.8 tons-force
111,628.8+ Tons of force...
Yang could not survive that. Tifa's earlier "weaker" hits as her limit gauge rises would have sealed the deal, let alone Tifa's insane Limit power. Also note the "durability feat" of Yang is wrong regarding the concrete pillar at 1400 tons. And here is the proof that the pillar feat is only worth 140 tons. This article explains that Flexural Strength or sideways for concrete is about 10% of the total Compression value of concrete. www.theconcreteproducer.com/coβ¦
That pillar Death Battle referenced broke at 1400 tons, getting hit from the side is only worth 10% of the compression value. Pillars compression value going from above or below is not the same as Flexural Strength or sideways pressure. Sideways they break at 10% their total compression value. So Yang's actual durability is taken down from 1400 tons to 140 tons by the concrete pillar logic.
Death Battle's quote "1400 tons" x 0.10 (10%) = 140 tons... Not nearly enough to survive even Tifa's earliest attacks at full limit meter... or even her earlier attacks, which would have already fully drained Yang's Aura. As we know her Aura is anything but infinite. You all saw how many hits Yang had already taken from the better skilled fighter, Tifa. But even at 1400 tons Tifa's normal attacks at higher limit would have drained all of Yang's aura and taken her out. Even amping Yang up means she would just survived just long enough to have seen the grand finale that is Final Heaven.
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A quick correction there. 1,400 tons was the maximum the machine could produce. The pillar in the video actually broke at 16 K, or 800 tons. Almost half of what Ben and Chad claimed, and leaving Yang's durability via the mech punch at an abysmal 80 tons. Just goes to show how little Ben and Chad actually paid attention to their so called "research".
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Haha good point! Even if Yang is given the "1,400 tons" it's still nowhere near what is needed for her to survive long enough to see Tifa use Final Heaven! Let alone survive it, such a joke of a Deathbattle! 
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Another interesting point to note, no one seems to have a problem with Yang's Aura, which the RWBY series clearly shows is limited, being infinite in the the Tifa fight despite Tifa being the better fighter, and getting off many more hits. Every hit draining more of Yang's Aura, and every hit after Tifa got hit get's many times stronger! All those hits should have been calculated BEFORE even calculating Tifa's insane limit power!Β
It means Tifa's total damage output here should be added to the all hits she landed before her limit gauge was full. Her attack power is well beyond the statedΒ 111,628.8+ Tons of force... Tifa wins.Β
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Because people would rather ignore the fact Yang's aura is finite because it doesn't fit into their fanwanked ideas. The more insufferable of their fanbase has convinced themselves that she's on par with the Hulk. Yes. THE HULK. And refuse to be convinced otherwise, even after Miles Luna has come out and officially confirmed her durability with her aura has its limits.
Honestly, I have a lot of problems with how Yang's combat skills are presented in general, despite being a fan of her's. Mostly how every fucking time her semblance is active in the show, and even in the Death Battle, the opponent is always in a position to be unable to do anything, or always just derps out and stands there like a fucking moron, letting themselves be finished off. Honestly, at this point, I'm wondering if Adam's win is partly because he realized "Oh wait, I could just hit her." And Neo? "Oh wait, I could just move out of the way."
Which makes me wonder how effective her semblance actually is in a fight where the plot isn't demanding she win.
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So true my friend!
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This made me smile it was quite the catharsis. I can't wait until they do the same thing to Lightning...
Lightning;"I tanked a meteor with my face in canon and kill gods for a living."
Her Opponent;"Yeah well I tanked a pillar."
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You should've seen the other one. I have it in my gallery also and I have posted the same sentiment you have there.
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Maybe make one with Ben smokingΒ a pillar like a cigarette XDΒ
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Sorry. I'm not that good.
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Its fine, ive just had that on my mind, maybe it rains pillars around him.
Like how some people say 'Make it rain!' well instead of money its pillars XD
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Ive been thinking of that for a week XD
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Look at my recent repost journal and prepare to explode.
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I already did, fossil snail is wrong XP
(Sigh) I'm burnt out, I need to get back to tying my story.
Oh, have you seen my newest commission? :3
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You might be right, They handicapped Cloud and Tifa so why stop there >.<
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Man if things were more equal I'd have less of a problem with those two fights but Cloud being denied finishing touch and the alternate forms of his limit breaks and the sheer disparity between the research team and Ben concerning Tifa...
When they do get around to Lightning you just know they're going to find some way to nerf her time manipulation, teleportation and life drain powers.
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Given their pattern, its hard not to think they don't just hate FF characters.
Oh sure Tails get a 10 ton gameplay feat but FF characters MUST have all their abilities
displayed in a cinematic or its not canon, as if all the fights in the gameplay didn't happen >.<
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I just posted this on DBs facebook page, I'm curious to the reactions :3
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That one's not abused though.
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Yes, but that's the dumbest assumption I ever heard from those guys. Downplaying his tanking against things like a supernova and blackhole like that. Heck, in 3D Land, when he was dunked into lava, he's still in flesh (proof that it's the same Bowser by the fact that smoke is still on him at 4:30)Β www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXyhMMβ¦
Ganondorf can still win, but I felt that both him and Bowser are severely lacking research from the hosts.
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Why the hell didn't they use the same inconsistancy argument they used to cheat Bayonetta out of her victory for Bowser's lava feat? Seems what's REALLY inconsistent is what they'll consider valid information or not.
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I don't know, but they really went against their ways of looking at the contestant's greatest potential; leaving out a lot of their feats which led them making inconsistencies.Β
At least it's better than Goku vs Superman 2, which now I see as the worst DB after knowing what DB is all about, which said DB went against almost everything it stands for.
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I'd say Yang vs Tifa goes against what DB stands for more than GvS2. That fight was blatant pandering and advertising.
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To quote a friend of mine:
"No, the best example is Goku vs Superman 2. They went ahead with it despite none of us knowing anything about Super Saiyan God or Super Saiyan Blue at the time, which goes completely against what the show's about. This was released during the time Resurrection F was still in the dubbing process, making it all the more suspicious on why they even bothered doing it in the first place. It's easily one of the worst episodes in the series due to how rushed out the door it feels."
To add more to it, the verdict is dumb, making the episode more of an attempt to calm down the raging DBZ fanboys.
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Yeah, I can see it now.
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But that is a better feat than pillar tanking in my opinion because being dipped in lava is far more dangerous than pillars. Heat > Pillars.
Nah. Researchers prove that Ganondorf can't win this considering the power gap is so great. Ganon's only island level I think and Bowser is galactic.
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*Link vs Cloud is also this, in part*
How is Link vs Cloud a part of this, is because their involved a final fantasy character?
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No. They also mentioned a pillar feat that Link did, hence it's there. Gannondorf also have the same thing and he also won. That is why the meme exist and not because it involved ff characters.
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The pillar feat wasn't the real reason Link won, the pillar feat was meant for Link to stand up to Cloud's (physical) attacks, Ganondorf's weakness to holy weapons is what allowed him to outlast Bowser since Bowser is vulnerable to anything, and Yang's semblance and high durability is what made her outlast Tifa.
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Maybe you haven't seen this, this is the power of Tifa that they left out to make sure she lost, they had to omit that Tifa can output over 100K tons otherwise the pillar feat would have been meaningless. www.screwattack.com/post/51231β¦
And as for the pillar feat, its actually much lower than they said, the pillar that they used as an example was broken at 800 tons, Yang was punched by that mech form the side.
Pillar flexural strength (side to side)Β is 10% the compressive (top to bottom), meaning that Yangs durability of her Aura is only 80 tons.
(Proof of the pillar 10% fact here: www.theconcreteproducer.com/coβ¦)
Far below Tifas own and well under her 153 ton out put with one arm, WITHOUT the Premium hearts.
Meaning Yang could outlast a damn think Tifa could throw at her, she would have died in the first hit, and the PR benefits would have smashed her to paste.
They promoted Yang and Rwby, that's why Yang won at all.
They were bias again and they didn't hide it. that's why the vital tournament flag of Rwby season 3Β was shown right on screen after the fight.
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