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Princekid13 In reply to gladitor [2013-03-25 15:34:19 +0000 UTC]

If'n you wanna find him, use Fenrir instead; it's the traditional spelling.

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eghorhawke In reply to AlertedRapierImp19 [2013-01-13 03:27:57 +0000 UTC]

Picture of Fenris ripping his sister's heart out. Yea, adorable.

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FullmetalHeart20 In reply to audieleigh [2013-01-24 04:20:07 +0000 UTC]

Dude. She's his sister! And I really can see where she's coming from. Just enough to spare her, at least.

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audieleigh In reply to FullmetalHeart20 [2013-01-30 20:45:22 +0000 UTC]

hmm...i see where your coming from. but betrayers just really burn me up. so its hard for me to see past that.

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TriggerTwitch6 In reply to DeadSamurai13 [2014-01-27 20:21:12 +0000 UTC]

I think the red ribbon, symbolizes loosing his virginity, as it can also mean this with roses, If you notice, he only begins to wear it after the love scene.

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MagickFire In reply to Cellandning [2012-06-20 00:19:25 +0000 UTC]

romance fenris and that appears on his wrist....personally I think its a pair of Hawke's underwear >.>....

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Gurlmasta In reply to FarscapeSDC [2012-05-13 01:52:37 +0000 UTC]

-cries- hate fenris?

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FarscapeSDC In reply to Gurlmasta [2012-05-13 10:07:24 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I hate Fenris. Here are the following reasons
1) he has an irrational hatred towards all mages, even the ones that have done nothing wrong (i.e. "I used to be a slave, and my master just happened to be a mage, therefore all mages are evil slavers")
2) He kills his own sister, who does that? Psychopaths, that's who.
3) You give him a book about the guy who freed the slaves, his basic reaction is "I can't read, I hate you"
4) he doesn't see the irony in the fact that he slaughtered dozens of people in his fight for freedom but condemns mages who kill even one in their escape attempts, he even condemns those who don't kill anyone. His opinion seems to be "Everyone deserves freedom, except the people."
5) trying to change his opinions, even in the most non-forceful way possible, makes him angry.
6) he thinks it's appropriate to rip people's hearts out of their chests.

He's a sociopathic, psychopathic, bigoted murderer. By rights he should be in an asylum for the criminally insane. The only thing that sets him apart from the mass murdering Templar's is that he doesn't go out of his way to murder and oppress the mages, but he seems to be a big supporter of those that are.

My apologies for the rant, but I really hate Fenris.

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Gurlmasta In reply to FarscapeSDC [2012-05-14 20:14:42 +0000 UTC]

All of that stuff makes me love him even more. He's just a character who doesn't give a shit and i love that about him. If he was a real person, i wouldnt. But hes not. Hes a character in a game(one of my favorite games) and people like me love to be fangirls ^^. Im not trying to change your opinion or nuthin so i really didnt need an explanation(didnt read it any way).

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FarscapeSDC In reply to FarscapeSDC [2012-05-13 10:10:39 +0000 UTC]

A small error I didn't notice until I had posted it. Number 4) should have read

4) he doesn't see the irony in the fact that he slaughtered dozens of people in his fight for freedom but condemns mages who kill even one in their escape attempts, he even condemns those who don't kill anyone. His opinion seems to be "Everyone deserves freedom, except the people I hate."

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ForTheLoveOfxD In reply to FarscapeSDC [2012-07-15 13:34:22 +0000 UTC]

Well, Fenris is an angsty elf, one of the romance choice in the game. Look at the other choices: Anders, also an angsty mage who wants freedom and blow up the chantry at the end; Sebastian, an annoying hypocrite who can't make up his mind on staying in the chantry or avenge his family; Isabela, a piratess captain that lost her ship and the entire crew after she stole a Qunari relic, and doesn't mind passing herself around; Merrill, a demonic summoning elf who thinks she have everything under control and that the demons are our friends. I think Fenris is the better choice out of all this. Beside, as Gurlmasta said, if he's a real character, my Hawke would have slaughter him, Anders, Merril right on the spot; however, he's fictional, and if you learn more about the game, there are ways to make him understand you and earns his approval in certain quest. Read more, my friend, and learn about each individual companions, you'll see what their story is and how Hawke changes how they think of things, like keeping Merrill from fixing the mirror, changing Isabela's view on friendship, Anders is a lost cause, so is Sebastian, but Aveline had always been a friend from the start, and she did say that she is surprised that there are things she agreed with Hawke even if it was not her usual thing; as for Fenris, if you really work on it, you'll see how he change, and if you get him as a friend, he will not abandon you even if you chose to defend the mages. What I'm thinking if that you play this game too rush and have no pay much attention to the backstories of your companions. Play it again, learn more about the game, and you'll see

As for your point on Fenris, keep in mind he was a slave. I know that doesn't excuse everything he do, but it's a start in understanding why he behaves as he does. He doesn't say that all mages are evil, he is just saying that they have a bigger chance in making other people miserable. If you play Hawke as mage, you'll see how Fenris quickly change his mind about mages. Fenris' master is a mage, but it was not the mage part that made Fenris hate mages, it's how his master had abused that power, abused Fenris. Since mages have the inherent power of more, he just just worry that they would follow the path of his master.

1) He doesn't hate mages because of who they are, he hate them because of what they can do. While that can hardly be rational, it's understandable, as the setting in the game is that everyone fears mages. You should know what the game is about if you had play it. You can't blame him for acting like everyone does, it's your role to change how people think about Hawke, about mages, and the possibilities, that's why they made the game XD
2) You're neglecting to consider that Fenris' sister sold him out to the master he had been trying to be free of in order to become Danarius' apprentice. Logically and emotionally, he had the right to kill her; if it was me, I'd kill her too, which is why I usually let him kill his sister. He had been hoping to see his sister, reunited with her and gaining a family member, he also did say "I would have given you everything" to his sister, but she had chose to ally herself with the person who had abused Fenris to the point of wanting to strip the flesh off Fenris, don't tell me you wouldn't do the same in his shoes, to have your freedom promised then found out that a person you hope to regain betrayed you for a chance of advancement. Blood is thicker than water, but not when that blood relative is selling you out.
3) His reactions toward your gifts depends on if you had made an effort to be his friend or not, if not, then he would misread your intention and thinks that you're making fun of his not being able to read. Duh. If you had try to be his friend, he would take that as a gift, and thankful for you trying to teach him how to read.
4) He slaughtered people because he was trying to survive, everybody in the game is like that. In example, Anders, he killed a lot of people, "You've killed two-hundred and fifty-four by my last count. Plus about five hundred men, a few dozen giant spiders, and at least two demons", and yet he felt rotten for almost killing a mage, that's hypocrisy of him. Not to mention, Hawke does kill "90% of things she met" XD Killing is unavoidable, trying to survive on the run does give Fenris an understanding of why he had to kill.
5) Like I said, if you had try to be his friend, changing his opinion would be much easier That's why I said play the game more and you'll see.
6) Lol, he had that skill, why not use it? There are certain quests where you can ask him to use that skill to your advantages. There are things you can't do alone, Fenris is there for you if you need him. I'd say since he's already a companion, put him to use

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audieleigh In reply to ForTheLoveOfxD [2013-04-29 06:53:25 +0000 UTC]

well said!!!

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audieleigh In reply to audieleigh [2013-04-29 07:00:58 +0000 UTC]

yay Fenris. and wow, this argument or whatever rocks. DEBATE!!! Thats the word. awesome opinions.

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FarscapeSDC In reply to ForTheLoveOfxD [2012-07-15 20:33:28 +0000 UTC]

I've played the game plenty of times and I've dumped more than enough hours into each playthrough, I've just come to different conclusions.

1)"He doesn't hate mages because of who they are, he hate them because of what they can do" - if you walk up to any racist and ask them "Why do you hate black people?", a response of "I don't hate black people, I'm just don't trust them to not rob me" isn't going to cut it. suffering an injustice at the hands of a minority does not give you license to hate every member of that minority and believe that they should be locked away or killed.
2) Yes, his sister sold him out. But I can't think of any normal people who would kill their own family if they betrayed them. Those that would, are psychopaths, and not people you should be associating with. I can quite honestly say that I wouldn't murder my only remaining family because they thought it was the only way out of a difficult situation.
3)Everybody slaughters dozens of people on command. My argument was not that he kills people, it was that he condemns the mages who do the same thing, because he doesn't like them. If a regular slave kills half a dozen guards in her escape attempt, Fenris would praise her; if a mage so much as escaped, even without killing anyone (And let's face it, being a mage in the Kirkwall circle of Magi is almost as bad if not worse than being a slave), he would support either killing them or dragging them back, so that the Templars would probably kill them. The small difference between Anders and Fenris, is that Fenris uses "Old habits die hard" as an excuse for murdering those forest warrior people (I forgot their names). In terms of actually or almost killing innocent people, Fenris is worse than Anders. Anders almost kills one girl, Fenris actually slaughters an entire village.
4) I have tried to be nice to Fenris and I have played as a mage. It's rather amusing to see that Fenris still betrays me at the end when I side with the mages, regardless of how nice I've been to him. Pretty much, the only way to get him to side with me, is to let him drag the mages kicking and screaming back to the Templars throughout the game. In the end, I decided, "if he's not receptive to being nice, then screw him."
5) Ripping someones heart out of their chest is a particularly violent way of interrogating or killing someone.
6) Anders and Fenris's reaction to escaping oppressive overlords is completely different.
- Anders: "Let's go to darktown and heal the sick and injured for free while trying to help other mages escape their oppression"
- Fenris: "Let's sit in a mansion, brooding, drinking wine, and repeatedly using 'I was a slave' as a justification for my bigotry and irrational hatred of people who 'could' be dangerous."

Some might say that I'm oversimplifying a range of his deep-seated psychological issues, but psychology can only excuse so much. There comes a point when it's no longer psychology and it becomes psychosis. Either Fenris is a bigoted and violent prick with psychological issues, or he's a mass-murdering psychopath.

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ForTheLoveOfxD In reply to FarscapeSDC [2012-07-16 03:55:32 +0000 UTC]

You do realize there are guides on the wikia on how to earn the approval of your companions? You don't really have to kill every mage you see to appease Fenris, in fact, I was rather PO at him the first three play through because he keeps approved then disapproved of my reactions making him neutral, therefore I usually have to fight him when I defend the mages. Once I learn which quests to take him to and which quests I should leave him at home, I usually have his approval meter full up in act 2 alone. No mage killing or abusing required.

1) Well, such as it is, stereotypes does happens, even in real life, and it's on a much bigger scale in the game setting. Through suffering people gained the will to resist, though I agree Fenris sometimes annoys me when he clumps every mage together, but it's understandable for him to feel that way. His people had lost so much over centuries of slavery, and he was branded then hunted. Survival is a strong reason to make him cautious. It's just like Anders' hatred of the templars, or the templars' abusive behaviors toward the mages, and the mages resorting to blood magic to break free. Nothing is perfect, but every action have an explanation. You don't like him, that's your choice, I'm voicing my opinion by defending Fenris
2) Like I said, after years and years of being hunted, of being alone, now he found his sister, who sold him out for higher position in life; I'm not sure about you but I know even real people would turn against such backstabber. If you have encounters all saintly people who would always forgive, more power to you because you can learn so much from them, but applying it to normal people I doubt they would pass up the chance to pay back. There are even movies, lots of movies, about revenge. You seen a few, I presume? Giving as good as he gets is what I admire about him, no fake hypocrisy nor lying about his motives. Sure he goes overboard sometimes, but that would be Hawke's job to rein him in I'm sure my Hawke would take delights in doing so, xD
3) Like I said, you'll see him change throughout the game, he would even admit that a mage Hawke is a good one, or mage Bethany is a good one, he even allows that Anders is not really evil but more like annoyance XD Remember what I said above about which quests not to take him on, and you won't have problem with him, in fact, I gained full approval of the entire companion group by doing so, save times Also, Anders annoys me to no end because he kills a lot of things, but hammered himself for a while when he almost add one more to the number just because she's a mage, it's rather pathetic; I rather thought he was thinking of himself as a good guy when he is not whereas Fenris had never deluded himself on who he is. Sure he killed a lot of mages and innocents, but I rather want his straightforwardness to that of an annoying moping Anders/Justice. Don't get me wrong, I originally have no problem with him, up until he try to justify blowing up the Chantry, it's rather a stupid thing to do, especially when all he sprout is freeing mages. Meh. I'm particularly sad about this ending for Justice and Anders, because my Warden took to them like duck to water. Anders was a wonderfully fun friend in Awakening, and Justice is a helpful spirit with great sense of purpose, to mesh them together and make them suffer like this is a sad end for both of them; I think my Warden disappeared to try to find a cure for them....Ok, back to Fenris, he did killed an entire village, and he knew what he did was wrong, but think of it in his perspective: you're a slave, left behind in a forsaken area by your master who used you badly, you met wonderful people, and started a new life; just when you're getting comfortable, your master came back, bringing the nightmares of your old life with him and ordered you to killed the people of your dream home. You killed them just as your master ordered and bear the stain of their blood forever. If it was me, I'd rather blame the master instead of the slave, wouldn't you agree? Don't say he have the choice to choose not to obey, he was a slave, and obeying was what he had lived for. You and I knew better, but for a person who grew up catering to every wimp of their master, there is really not much choice the slave can make. Later on he learns that he could choose, but at the time there was nothing he could do but run.
4) Like I said, it's fine for him to stay home on certain quests, my mage almost never take him anywhere with mages rescued except for the Search and Rescue since it doesn't really do anything except helping the mages, XD Not to mention How to Frame a Templar xD That one is funny and short. Way to go Bioware. I'm not even nice most of the time since a snarky Hawke is so much better than a diplomatic one, and my Hawke's remarks usually make him smile..and laugh..Oh Maker! His laughter <3
5) Let's face it, it's a useful skill to have, especially if Hawke asked him to interrogate slavers. Slavers deserved their fate, and if it gets the job done early so my Hawke can go home and play with the Mabari pet, the better! There are also people who deserved to feel pain, namely DuPuis. I keep reloading that scene over and over just to watch him suffers for torturing and killing women. A knife through the heart is too soft for those kind of people. And it's kind of cool to watch Fenris glow Remember, Hawke holds the reign and make the decisions, my friend, to use it kinkily or not is your choice
6) Sure, I agree with you, Anders does more good than Fenris, but you forgot that Anders is a mage healer, and Fenris is a tanker, what do you want him to do, throw himself into every battle there is in Kirkwall? He's also waiting for Danarius to make his move, and that slowpoke slaver takes forever to go after Fenris @___@ Fenris, in my opinion, sulks around the mansion day after day waiting for his old master to move his creaking bones and do something. Why Fenris did not just ask my Hawke to track the decaying bones down, it's because Bioware does not allow them to take a step out of Kirkwall unless you buy their DLC, and even then you're caged in the middle of nowhere or an abandoned Dwarven landfill =/ Sad, really, there was nothing Fenris could have done...Well...there are other things he could have done, but that's between my Hawke and Fenris XD Actually, the way I play it, Fenris is a tanker for the missions my Hawke drag him to anyway. And lol, your use of "I was a slave" reminds me of Varric's quote "I hate you all, I was a slave." XD I love Varric and his sense of humour, that's why 90% of my Hawkes are usually snarky, because once they met Varric, all they can do is egg each other on and make jokes all day XD

You're using the word psychopath a bit much, aren't you? If you put it that way, Hawke and companions are all psychopaths, not just Fenris. Anders kills a lot of templars, and while some of them do deserved it (Alrik, Meredith), some of them are good people with misguided faith (Thrask, Cullen, Carver if you're playing mage and he was left behind); at the end of the game, Cullen was the one that back down, and if you sided with the templars, there is an instance where you can show mercy to mages, and Cullen will take your side over Meredith's. And then there's Merrill, the character I hate in the game, she's a demon in disguise who keeps demanding Hawke make deals with demons and sprouting nonsense about doing good things for her people before making Hawke kill the entire clan plus the Keeper who cared so much for her, how anyone can like her empty head is beyond me. Fenris is the tamer one of the lot, and if you earned his approval, he WILL stand by you whether you defend the mages or side with the templars. Personally, I wish there was an option to stand with Varric, because "I'm sick of mages and templars" =/

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MistressOfFrost375 In reply to ForTheLoveOfxD [2012-07-31 16:05:12 +0000 UTC]

Holy mother of shit. That is a LOT of text for a simple argument. O.o

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ForTheLoveOfxD In reply to MistressOfFrost375 [2012-07-31 16:21:44 +0000 UTC]

Ahaha, sorry about that, I'm rather wordy when it comes to siding with Fenris against Anders. I luff Anders, but he's a nutcase @___@

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MistressOfFrost375 In reply to ForTheLoveOfxD [2012-08-01 00:09:02 +0000 UTC]

Oh no I agree with your argument, actually. Especially question/comment #2. It might sound psychotic, but if my blood relatives (or anyone else for that matter) betrayed me like that... sold me out like Fenris' sister did.... well, if it wasn't a felony I would have definitely killed them. If I was in the same situation as him, I would've done the same thing. I value justice (and not Anders' kind lol the real thing) over mercy. At the same time, I'm not naturally a person that would even WANT to take others lives into my own hands. Killing people holds no appeal, because who knows if my actions are truly just? But if I was in that sort of situation, I definitely would've reacted like Fenris.

I was just commenting on the sheer amount of essay-ness that was going on there XD blew my mind before I actually sat down and read it.

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ForTheLoveOfxD In reply to MistressOfFrost375 [2012-08-01 13:43:09 +0000 UTC]

Ahaha, sorry about it then, I didn't stop to look before I drone on. You're pretty patient, if it was me, I would just skip

Anders is a sweet person, but he doesn't really care for anything that much beside his "cause"; I romanced him on my first play through, and he seems like a decent person with the "sexy, tortured" look, but as it progresses, templars and revenge pretty much eat up Anders, and Hawke is not the most important thing in his life; he had said that templars break their love up, but it was pretty much Anders himself that destroy their relationship =/ Sad. To me, Anders spoke sweet words but acts totally opposite, and Fenris might grumbled and doesn't actually says that he love Hawke, but he's more than ready to stand by Hawke's decisions doesn't matter which side Hawke choose, that's pretty much a clear LI choice XD */Fengirl drooling*

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