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Just putting my thoughts here.
A punishment makes sense, she made a mistake and she needs to own up to it. Her being a child, and all the bad things that happened to her doesn't change that. But it is still important to remember that Red is a child who an adult took advantage of. She trusted them, and they used her. I'm not taking Rose's side or Red's side. I just hope her punishment isn't too bad.
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BRO YOU SLICED HER SHOULDER OPEN I THINK THATS PUNISHMENT ENOUGH
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im going to say this now
Rosestar....we know what she did was wrong...but punishing her won't help now..that claw mark is as big as a reminder of her mistake and doing then you thinking of another thing to make it worse at this point the whole clan kinda turning on her angry with her and her own problems she had before
your going to make this poor child lash out on you....you want her on your side but the more you push the more she will go further and further away
she doesn't need punishing she needs now is someone to be by her cause right now...turning on her....making her feel more and more at blame and even blaming her for almost all of it doesn't help her but will make her turn on thoses she once called family.....if you want another enemy by all means then keep going but if you want to help her then stop and look at what your doing to....look at what you have been doing and change from there or else your going to do is cause more pain and Redpaw will be the proof of it
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So a thought that I had about Redpaw's "lapse in judgement".
While the readers (theoretically) know what Secret did, anyone who for whatever reason hasn't read the other two comics in this series... don't actually know what Secret did? (Which is very possible, I found BDaL before the other comics and was very confused.)
While there have been time skips where Redpaw could theoretically have been told off screen what Secret did or exactly how bad she was... what we have actually been shown in this comic specifically is:
-Rule of "Don't talk to Junkyard cats because they're evil" (no specifics as to why, just "they're bad")
-Redkit having nebulous knowledge of "Secret was a bad cat". We don't actually know how much she knows about what happened other than "Secret did bad things" because we have not been shown or told what she actually knows. What we, the audience have seen of Redkit's knowledge of Secret is the nebulous and loose "Secret bad cat". Does she know what Secret did? We don't know. Does she know exactly how badly it hurt the Clan? We don't know. Does she know Secret attacked the Clan? We don't know. All we know that she knows, is that Secret was "bad". We have knowledge she might not have, and knowledge that even some of the Readers might not have at the time of the meeting.
-Redkit being saved by the sphynx kitty (I've forgotten their name???) (setting up not all junkyard cats bad)
-Redkit meeting and befriending Rust, reuniting with sphynx kitty, both reconfirming that "Junkyard cats Not Evil maybe?"
-Redkit seeing the sphynx talking to Secret, meeting Secret herself, and Secret putting on a sugar and sweetness act of "I've changed! I want to apologize!". Redkit at this time has only encountered Junkyard cats who were kind and helpful. Why wouldn't she think that maybe Secret had changed? Especially since Secret was apparently alive after she was told that Secret was dead! If the Clan was wrong about Secret being Dead, and if the Clan was wrong about the Junkyard cats being Evil, then maybe they were wrong about Secret herself, too.
So we can't say "Redpaw knew about Secret" or even "She should have known better" because we have not seen any actual sign of why she should know better or that she knew anything beyond "Secret hurt our Clan". Yes. We can assume she was told the details because we've probably read the other two comics. But, anyone reading BDaL without the other two comics is sitting here going "okay flashbacks say that Secret killed people???? I guess?????". And if new readers don't know... we can't assume that our viewpoint character knows.
With the knowledge we've been shown or told that Redkit had when meeting Secret, we cannot know if she knew exactly how bad Secret was or why. We cannot know if she was actually told "Secret manipulated us" and "Secret killed Halfshadow and Whitedream", or if she was only told "Secret was a bad cat who hurt us and now she's dead."
Point is: Because there wasn't a recap panel where someone was actually telling Redkit that "Yes Secret killed cats and also manipulated us" we cannot actually assume she had all of the information necessary to decide if Secret was actually safe to trust.
This is no one's fault, but something that should be kept in mind when judging a young teen for trusting their mean neighbor when their mean neighbor hasn't hurt them themselves yet.
It is also worth noting that Redpaw already has a guilt complex and feels useless thanks to her father's death, her injuries, and Rosestar's initial decision to have her be a Medicine Cat apprentice!
Personally: I think the poor thing's been punished enough by the natural consequences of this blunder. Having the anger and disappointment of her entire Clan aimed at her (again, a young, badly traumatized teen who already has guilt issues) on its own is going to be earth shattering. She's still at the age where, while starting to rebel and test rules, kids desperately still need validation and acceptance from the adults in their lives.
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finally, an intellectual
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Is no one gonna help redpaw with her shoulder 😂
Plot twist that IS the punishment
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Oof! Remember she is just a child Rosestar. I'm intrested in how she'll be punisjed, but I definitely hope Rosestar doesn't go for anything like not letting her be a warrior/forced to be a med cat. Rosestar is definitely a complex character but she does make harsh decisions at times.
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We can't know for sure what the punishment is, as we have a CLIFFHANGER and therefore we cannot use that in our reasonings. It doesn't work and can make people doubt everything else if you are using theories instead of evidence to make a final claim. While I do think it's a strong theory, we have to go by what we DO know when discussing whether or not Redpaw is victim or not. As you are using what "could happened" over "this is what happened".
Please do not respond to this, I don't want drama or to be part of this drama. I'm just letting you know that theories don't make good arguements against facts that already are proven so you can make your claim stronger (and have a better chance of being seen as more reasonable and therefore having a better claim) so think of it as a heads up as I've noticed comments using theories with it for their opinion statements
Also by golly you're all opinionated. Please be respectful and know that all opinions are correct and wrong at the same time. Everyone is different and has their own views! You should not be harsh just because they are a different human being than yourselve with their own thoughts
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If you dont want drama dont type an essay in response to a simple statement /shrug
In hindsight that was very sarcastic and rude, I didnt intend it that way, I just dislike it when people say "oh dont respond to me I hate drama" I feel like if you dont want to debate then simply put what you think out there and ignore comments, imo the first person was just stating their opinion and what they hope doesnt happen which doesnt really fit what the second person was saying is a bad thing, I dont think they were using a theory as evidence in any way, just stating what they hope doesnt happen.
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isnt the scar on her shoulder enough itll never go away and she wont be able to forget the reason she has it
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Perhaps that’s why the scar was shown so much this page. The scar IS her punishment.
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hmm possibly maybe rosestar will add something to her name you know like brokenstar from the books?
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I don’t think she’d be cruel enough to do that tbh
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hmm maybe i guess we will see
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Someone please heal that injuries. She gonna die for blood lost XDD
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Is it possible Redpaw, consciously or subconsciously, wanted to make up for her dad? She thought she would be helping the Clan (however foolish that may have been), an act of good and perhaps redemption after influencing the death of her father (I don't want to make clear how strong that guilt would be, I think it emphasizes itself enough).
(I had something to add to that, but in my half-awake state, I have forgotten it. Hopefully I will remember and come back to edit it. Also please don't start arguing with this, or blame Redpaw. That's not what this specific comment is about. Just putting in my thoughts because it's a great comic and I want to contribute inpute).
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Rosestar just lost a life
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Its been proven that wounds carry to the next life. After bluestar lost a life (correct me if I’m wrong, I haven’t read the first arc in over a year) the rat bites were still an issue and got treated as soon as they returned to camp
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Can someone pls patch Redpaw's injury, that looks like it's going to hurt a lot.
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Redpaw is a child. Like what 0okami said, middle schoolers are the ages 11 to 13, people are still children until they are Eighteen years of age. An apprentice is a teenager, which is still a Child. We don't know the full story when the pages were focused on Leopardheart and again as state by 0okami, Redpaw was already given reason to doubt the stories about Secret were true, such as being saved by a junkyard cat, Secret took advantage of this and MANIPULATED Redpaw's trust, which is still manipulation. Children are impressionable and often rebellious, they don't have enough stills to make tough choices and their judgement is often affected by their own experiences, children are also often quick to trust despite being taught not to. Redpaw is still the victim in this situation and she knows that. Six moons old is the Teenager age for Warriors. I'm pretty sure that if you actually took a look at the books you can see apprentices, like in Vision Of Shadows, Needlepaw for example, being extremely rebellious. Her trust was often manipulated BECAUSE SHES YOUNG and quick to judge/trust. So the "She's a kid!" excuse is VALID. It MAKES SENSE and is LITERALLY what she is. There are more ways an adult cat can manipulate a child than just giving a stupid sob story. Apprentices are MORE developed than a kit BUT ARE NOT FULLY developed. Also, Redpaw wouldn't be considered an adult in cat years until she was TWELVE moons of age. And even then she'd be a YOUNG ADULT.
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:V Since you wanted to kick up a fuss okay
1.) Middle school ages are 11 - 13, they have the don't talk to strangers rule for the same reason people can't consent to things until 16 - 18, they're not mentally developed to know better
2.) We don't know the whole of what they said when the camera was on leopardheart, and she already was given reason to doubt what she heard about secret was true, for example being saved by a junkyard cat and also learning they're not that bad, Secret took advantage of that
3.) Acting like she wasn't manipulated at all is actually victim blaming, and she actually is a child
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Punishment is correct here. Redpaw screwed up and was doing things she knew she wasn’t supposed to. People are freaking out over Rose punishing her when freaking Bluestar would punish Firestar for less.
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Tbh it's not even that we're against, it's the victim blaming in the last page's comments section condemning Redpaw for being manipulated like a naive trusting kid, the thing she is.
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But that doesn't really deserve condemning her to possible exile or death
She was still manipulated and lied to :V
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