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Firecat15
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[2013-06-24 13:45:48 +0000 UTC]
"Be afraid. Be very afraid."
(United States)
# Statistics
Favourites: 37; Deviations: 37; Watchers: 28
Watching: 27; Pageviews: 16740; Comments Made: 8788; Friends: 27
# Interests
Favorite movies: Kung Fu Panda movies, Ice Ace movies, Lion King movies, MoanaFavorite bands / musical artists: The Cheetah Girls, Taylor Swift(pre-Red), America, Celtic Woman
Favorite books: The Bible
Tools of the Trade: Computer, pencils, my brain
Other Interests: Christianity, Chinese culture, animal rights
# Comments
Comments: 304
Listen there’s something important that I’m trying to raise awareness on.
Could you please check out this journal entry I posted? I'd appreciate it.
And spread the word if you can
GOD bless
John 3:16
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I honestly do not understand why it would have been a problem if I were aborted.
Because in early-term, the zygote, embryo, and early-term fetus are NOT sentient.
Also, in late-term, even though the late-term fetus is sentient, the ONLY three times where late-term abortion is legal and morally acceptable are these three cases:
Something that I apparently really should specify:.....because some people just do not get it.
This deviation is meant for anybody who does not understand my now fully-restored self-confidence in my writing (albeit, it was still often a reasonably major amount of self-confidence to begin with despite the occasional absurd self-doubt that I was struggling with).
Just to be clear, the main reason why I do not care at all about the idea of me being the one aborted is because someone else would have accomplished my achievements for me, particularly my accomplishments in writing fanfiction.
Even if I were aborted, somebody else would have created the Boddy Brothers, most likely with different names. Somebody else would have created their backstories, most likely with only slight differences. Somebody else would have came up with their powers, abilities, skills, outfits, weapons, gadgets, and armor, most likely with at least a few differences. And somebody else would have came up with what their actions and choices would be, very likely wit
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Funny how I found this same copy paste comment on MY profile.
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Yeah, I admit, that was a bad habit of mine.
But these days, I decided that from now on, I will NOT post comments like that any more.
From now on, any future typing I do about abortion will ONLY be in my own journals and in my own deviations.
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I apologize for pointlessly posting those comments on your profile.
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It’s all good fam. Thanks for being sincere.
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Sweet. You're welcome.
Also, thank you for being forgiving too.
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You're wrong. Sentience begins at the moment of conception.
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Actually you're objectively, scientifically and provably wrong. Talk to an unbiased doctor about brain development and you'd know that.
Life begins at conception. But tumours are alive and human in DNA too, so life clearly isn't what's important. Sentience is what matters, and while it's good that you're focusing on that, it's absolutely ignorant of you to assume it begins at conception when in fact it doesn't.
To be more precise, the neural plates that later form a brain do not form connections until 12 to 13 weeks in pregnancy.
This is fact. I have researched this for years, talking with experts and doctors to gain an informed stance.
Anyone who has actually done their research on pregnancy would know the following:
A person definitely is 100% a person when they're born. That's not debatable.
No mammal without a brain has been capable of thought. That's not debatable.
At 13 weeks, the brain actually does develop in the foetus and is capable of some activity. Before that point it's not a brain, but merely a neural plate (essentially the blueprint for the brain, not an actual brain itself).
At 20 weeks, the baby can actually be born and survive outside the womb, which means it's the earliest point of personhood by autonomy and not just thought alone.
So the only part of pregnancy that personhood is debatable is between 13 weeks (the earliest point of proper brain formation and activity) and 21 weeks (the point of viability and earliest point a successful birth can take place).
If you're one of those pro-lifers who argues that abortions before 13 weeks should be banned, you're completely insane and clearly don't know your facts or even worse, unwilling to listen to facts. To argue before week 13 means that you're in favour of technical humanity rather than personhood or sentience... which would justify the 'saving' of cancer cells that have human DNA or lab grown human cells, which clearly aren't people.
So to sum up:
Personhood is only debatable between week 13 and week 20.
Before week 12-13, there's no way it's a person as it's NOT sentient.
After week 20, there's no way it's not capable of thought and awareness.
I have just given you the facts. You are now informed on the matter. Do not insult yourself by continuing to comment such ignorant drivel. If you are going to talk about abortion, please would you kindly have the decency to use facts and not spout off factually wrong claims that are unsubstantiated.
Have a nice day and hope this info helps.
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Thanks for helping out, pal.
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By the way, I forgot to mention that there is a fourth reason that is among the ONLY acceptable reasons why late-term abortions happen:
4. Because some women CANNOT carry the baby safely at the risk of the late-term fetus' life (and yes, I know this is technically part of Case #2, but this still needs to be addressed.
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That's great.
And check American laws.
In terms of abortion in America, late-term abortions are ONLY allowed for the four reasons that I already described. Nothing more, nothing less.
Hey, at least we agree that late-term abortions that are NOT for the four reasons listed are wrong.
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Not really.
You see, late-term fetuses (aka the ONLY true unborn babies) can respond to things and learn things.
Therefore, late-term fetuses ARE sentient.
Early-term fetuses, embryo, zygotes, and gametes have NO such abilities.
Therefore, early-term fetuses, embryos, zygotes, and gametes have NO sentience whatsoever.
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Well, no offense but you obviously aren't a religious person.
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Actually, I am a Polythiest. More specifically, I worship the Gods of the Ancient Filipino Pantheon.
But either way, even if I were Christian, or any other form of Monotheism for that matter, I would still be Pro-Neutral about abortion.
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I can tell you that you're very wrong.
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Fair enough.
I simply do not understand why it would have been a problem if I were aborted.
And even if I were a Christian or any other Monotheist for that matter, I still would not understand why such a thing would have been a problem.
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Well, do you even wish to be alive?
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Yes, I wish to be alive and I'm glad to be alive, but I just don't understand why it would have been a problem if I were aborted.
And that's because of the reasons that I already explained earlier.
Early-term fetuses, embryos, zygotes, and gametes have NO sentience what-so-ever, and late-term fetuses are ONLY allowed to be aborted for three exceptions: If the fetus already died by miscarriage and the woman can't get rid of it naturally for some reason, if the woman is slowly dying due to pregnancy complications, or if the fetus has a fatal condition that will only result in his/her death when they are born.
Therefore, there's NO reason why it would have been a problem if I were aborted.
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If you were aborted, you wouldn't be enjoying all the things that have come to you that you like so much.
There's plenty of evidence to show that you're wrong. For one thing, an unborn baby's heart starts beating at around 18 weeks AT THE LATEST, if not earlier. Limbs, eyes, skin, bones, the ability to move, and even the ability to feel pain form very early in gestation, too. How could all those be true without sentience?
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That does NOT matter, because of the same reasons that I explained beforeas NEITHER of those equal sentience, the ability to move, and the ability to feel pain.
Heartbeat and the formation of limbs, eyes, skin, and bones are IRRELEVANT, because neither of those equal sentience, the ability to feel pain, and the ability to move.
Sentience, the ability to feel pain, and the ability to move all ONLY start at late-term.
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My patience is wearing thin.
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And because sentience only starts at late-term, I still do not understand why it would have been a problem if I were aborted.
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How many times do I have to tell you sentience begins at the moment of conception?
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Since early-term fetuses, embryos, zygotes, and gametes do NOT have the abilities to feel pain, NOR move, NOR respond to things, NOR learn things, sentience therefore does NOT start at the moment of conception.
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Well, it breaks my heart to say this, but it's obvious you're nothing but an un-Christian baby-killing supporter.
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Actually, I am Pro-Neutral when it comes to abortion.
Meaning that I believe that there is a solution that can help both Pro-Choicers and Pro-Lifers alike.
And this is my theory that I think can help both sides of the abortion debate:
A theory for a solution that could work........to save both the woman and the late-term fetus/the actual unborn baby. It could work as a way for Pro-Choicers AND Pro-Lifers to compromise:Step 1: C-Section.
Step 2: Life-Saving Surgery to keep both the mother and the baby alive.
Step 3: Blood Donations (can either be relatives with the same blood type or strangers with the same blood type) for both the mother and the baby, once again, to keep them both alive.
Step 4: Some kind of new and special machine to keep the baby alive. (For example, an improved version of this technology: http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/04/25/525044286/scientists-create-artificial-womb-that-could-help-prematurely-born-babies.)
If this theory is successful, then both the baby AND the woman would be saved.
Just to be clear, I am still Pro-Neutral/Pro-Apathy ever since October 9 of 2016, but I am suggesting this theory as a compromise that could benefit both Pro-Choicers AND Pro-Lifers alike.
I still ultimately do not care about abortion itself
Phase 2 of my Pro-Neutral/Pro-Apathy theory:This is a continuation of my theory for an idea to help both Pro-Lifers and Pro-Choicers alike by preserving the lives of both the late-term fetus aka the ONLY true unborn baby and the woman:
Step 1: Allowing pregnant women at late-term pregnancy to have easy access to any sort of help to help (counselling, support groups, painkillers, etc.) in order to help pregnant women at late-term pregnancy get through with their pregnancy if they want to have a baby, or to cope with their late-term pregnancy if they do not want to raise the child. If the woman does not want to give birth to a baby and the pregnancy is at late-term and/or if the woman is dying due to pregnancy complications, then the methods in Part 1 (A theory for a solution that could work....) will be used.Step 2: Improve adoption facilities to take good care of the kids with more effort and resources. Add precautions to ensure
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Thank you for being civil in this discussion.
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And thank you for not being 100% pro-baby-killing.
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I'm just explaining to you the truth about abortion, and why that should be the VERY LEAST of our concerns.
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Actually, I am right.
Because sentience, the ability to feel pain, the ability to move, the ability to learn, and the ability to respond to things ONLY start at late-term.
Heartbeat and body parts forming are still irrelevant next to the traits listed above, because NEITHER heartbeat NOR body parts forming equal sentience, the ability to feel pain, the ability to learn, the ability to respond, and the ability to move.
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No you're not. We've been through this already.
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Let's just say somethings went "hot" at the moment..... I don't really want to discuss about it but I'm back and still in business!
Especially for the KFP: Phoenix Rising!
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So what have you accomplished?
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G'day.
Just to your reply saying you have the same beliefs as I do;
I'm asking this out of precaution, what exactly do you belief?
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Simple-Jesus is the only begotten son of our immortal, omnipotent God, who came to this world to pay the price of our sin so we wouldn't have to ourselves, since He selflessly loves us, and whoever believes in this truth and stays faithful to the Way of Christ all their days will never perish but live for all eternity!
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Ah yeah.
So, what if someone believes in Christ but is not always faithful to the Way of Christ?
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