Tianithen In reply to Beauty4Beast [2014-02-15 17:14:11 +0000 UTC]

No it isn't, you have yet to provide evidence for either altruistic interactions between non-human animals of different species or for your idea that people suffer more from disease or genetic disorders now, and by evidence I mean scientific evidence. I want to see peer reviewed papers that you think support your claim, not telling me to look on YouTube or trying to get me to buy a book. Being skeptical is not the same as having my head in the sand. 

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Tianithen In reply to Beauty4Beast [2014-02-12 07:48:14 +0000 UTC]

So you think all individuals should be culled? I'd say that's rather mean to say the least - you have no one you care about? sad.

Feeling that way is certainly not a good trait to have, but that is a bad thing about you, not a bad thing about the human race 

Please provide an example of a time when a non-human animal has helped another non human animal of another species (and in a way that can be counted as altruistic, ie the helper is not just 'helping' in order to gain something for themselves)

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Beauty4Beast In reply to Tianithen [2014-02-12 08:32:56 +0000 UTC]

just look on youtube, there are hundreds of altruistic animals   You might say it is just hormones etc. and you may well be

right, but that applies to humans as we are part of the animal kingdom.

I do care about several humans but do see  infantilism coming in very strongly which is indicative of species 

coming to the end of its useful life. Maybe mother nature will be kind and cull us like we cull over populations of

other animals to make them healthy (e.g. foxes)

You are right, I am a very sad person, I am also quite old and in my life-time have seen a speeding up of change

in disease and genetic disorders and it scares the s--t  out of me 

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Tianithen In reply to Beauty4Beast [2014-02-12 16:56:25 +0000 UTC]

I'm doing a masters in biology and I don't think there are many truly altruistic animals much less those that help other species, and certainly not hundreds but feel free to disprove me by sending me a video that you think shows this clearly.

Please also provide evidence that our species is becoming infantalised, I know of no species in which this has happened except perhaps when we bred wolves into dogs, dogs are more similar in behaviour to wolf pups than to adult wolves. Please also provide evidence of speed up of change in disease and genetic disorders that aren't due to a) late life disease/ genetic disorders that as a species we are experiencing because we live longer, b) increased amount of disease etc in the population just because the population is larger (ie overall levels whereas individual levels may well have gone done) and c) it seeming like there is more disease etc because awareness eg through the media has increased. 

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Beauty4Beast In reply to Tianithen [2014-02-13 03:02:41 +0000 UTC]

Stanley Cohen book-States of Denial

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Tianithen In reply to Beauty4Beast [2014-02-15 08:22:27 +0000 UTC]

This book seems to be about how denial can exacerbate and perpetuate attrocities, not about an increase in genetic disorders or disease, while I'm sure it makes a valid point it doesn't seem to have anything to do with our discussion. I'm also not interested that much in this discussion to spend money on buying a book so either provide freely accessible material as evidence for your point or we shall just have to call it a day. 

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Beauty4Beast In reply to Tianithen [2014-02-15 09:19:07 +0000 UTC]

the book is about you

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Tianithen In reply to Beauty4Beast [2014-02-15 17:07:04 +0000 UTC]

No, it isn't. I'm not denying for a moment that bad things happen or that people do bad things, what I am disagreeing with is the idea that people are inherently bad and how we judge all humanity on the actions of a few. 

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Beauty4Beast In reply to Tianithen [2014-02-16 07:50:16 +0000 UTC]

if you read what I said, you will see that I do not judge

humanity on the actions of a few.

I said I have heard of many admirable reports in humanity as a whole,

but on a individual personal basis, people suck.

I can see now, there is a huge debate going on in dA, please do not

put me in the same group as the humanity haters, and bother to 

read what I actually said instead of assuming

Humans are an animal and we have the same emotions and ideas

as everything else on earth, we are not gods. To dismiss the 

creatures of the earth as inferior is wrong in my humble opinion.

I do not have to give you scientific facts, I am just giving you my

little bit of opinion on a simple little site called dA. By the way my father 

is a G.P. and he has plenty of scientific facts on the human disease

problem, he has to deal with it everyday.

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Tianithen In reply to Beauty4Beast [2014-02-16 08:33:09 +0000 UTC]

But as humanity is made of individual people if they suck then humanity by extension will also suck, admiral behaviour in humanity comes from admirable behaviour in individual humans. 

You said before that you would like to see people culled, I am sorry if I misinterpret that but it seems the sort of thing someone who hates humanity would say and I fail to see how you can like humanity but want to cull the humans that make it. 

To say we have the same ideas and emotions as other animals is making a HUGE assumption, in terms of emotions it is very hard if not impossible to find actual evidence of emotions in other species, as for ideas well, first to have an idea you need to be able to think which is a complex cognitive process and few species are even potentially capable of such things and secondly the ideas we have differ between individuals (as I think we show by this discussion)

If you don't want to give me facts then don't but if so you are not in the position to accuse me of denial.

I'm not dismissing the creatures of the earth as inferior in general, that of course depends on the quality or aspect you are judging and how you are judging it.

It seems like your father could be a good source of evidence to prove your point...

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Tianithen In reply to JuanGMrtnz [2013-08-08 23:03:45 +0000 UTC]

Hey thanks

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Tianithen In reply to Gamma-Wings [2013-08-01 21:02:48 +0000 UTC]

Yay thanks

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Tianithen In reply to tak-lung [2013-07-31 08:25:51 +0000 UTC]

No worries.

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Tianithen In reply to Steve-FraserUK [2013-05-24 08:15:02 +0000 UTC]

no probs and thanks

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Tianithen In reply to Kisha-Rose [2013-05-06 13:34:45 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much and glad to be of help.
Hopefully I'll get some more art up soon but having various computer problems atm.

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Kisha-Rose In reply to Tianithen [2013-05-07 00:41:08 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome~! Oh and well darn... I hope your computer issues are solved soon~ :'o

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Tianithen In reply to Kisha-Rose [2013-05-09 13:48:33 +0000 UTC]

thanks

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Tianithen In reply to DesmondeKapi [2012-09-25 07:04:57 +0000 UTC]

thanks.

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Tianithen In reply to AtomCruse [2012-08-15 08:58:02 +0000 UTC]

Hi there, hows things? xx

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AtomCruse In reply to Tianithen [2012-08-15 15:56:05 +0000 UTC]

Hey, long time no talk.
I was wondering if you wanted to be a beta reader for my book.
And to see how you were doing, since we havne't talked in a long time

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Tianithen In reply to AtomCruse [2012-08-22 21:38:09 +0000 UTC]

Hi, I've been in Guyana and Russia recently, let me know what you've been up to, and yeah I'll be a beta reader, not sure that I can commit to a time schedule though as I am going to be very busy. Hope alls well with you.
xxx

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AtomCruse In reply to Tianithen [2012-08-23 01:31:21 +0000 UTC]

I'm not doing to well at all.
You can find out why, sparing me from having to write it all down, here.
[link]

But I hope you got me postcards from Russia

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Tianithen In reply to AtomCruse [2012-08-23 08:48:53 +0000 UTC]

I'll read that now. Sorry no postcard, was only there 5 days, can send you some photos if you like once I've got them sorted. Unfortunately no photos of the last day as camera died. xx

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AtomCruse In reply to Tianithen [2012-08-23 21:26:15 +0000 UTC]

Oh yes please

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Tianithen In reply to ReenaH78 [2012-05-28 11:45:19 +0000 UTC]

my pleasure

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Tianithen In reply to SailorHeartSailorLov [2012-05-27 21:08:26 +0000 UTC]

Thanks so much

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Tianithen In reply to AtomCruse [2012-05-26 20:12:21 +0000 UTC]

Yeah sure can. Hang on a mo.

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AtomCruse In reply to Tianithen [2012-05-26 20:17:49 +0000 UTC]

kk

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Tianithen In reply to Grim-Grinning [2012-06-05 18:41:12 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for the feature

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Grim-Grinning In reply to Tianithen [2012-06-06 21:27:06 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome c:

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Tianithen In reply to AtomCruse [2012-05-24 13:21:51 +0000 UTC]

Hi,
want to Skype it up?

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AtomCruse In reply to Tianithen [2012-05-25 21:08:49 +0000 UTC]

Also, would you be so kind as to spread the word about my book? I have a goal to get 100 followers on the twitter page.

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