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Published: 2004-04-08 03:00:40 +0000 UTC; Views: 1966; Favourites: 29; Downloads: 169
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Pen and ink drawing colored digitally, but never actually completed.Related content
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I still think this is one of my worst pieces!
MJB
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I wish to have such 'worst' pieces!
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We are all our own worst critic!
MJB
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Yes, unfortunately and 'fortunately'
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Yes! Fortunately! We MUST be tough on ourselves if we are to improve out skills. Never be satisfied with your work!
MJB
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That is why we cannot offend when we heard critique, what is very hard for me 
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You HAVE to learn to take criticism! It's the only way you improve your work!
MJB
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Eh... I know. x( 👍: 0 ⏩: 1
I like critique from friends of mine but hate from polish people ( on one polish gallery ) cos they critize onlz to make me mad or their critique have no sense with touching thing I cannot change in pic. Or not knowing photo reference thez said
You have to learn to take seriously, serious criticism, and to ignore ignorant criticism.
MJB
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Yeah. I like serious criticism. But always the most painfull is ignorant criticism. And cruality.
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Yes, but you must learn to dismiss stupid criticism. Why get worked up over meaningless comments?
MJB
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I love her!! I did one similar to this that I never finished because I had screwed up the face. I should redo it, one day maybe.
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Ha Ha, I have recieved a lot of comments on this drawing, but in truth of fact, it's probably my least favorite. It has a a great many problems, but many people seem to like it! You say that you drew one that was similar, but the face was not right...well I feel that same about the face on mine! It's really flat and lifeless, and kills what ever else might be sort of working in the rest of the drawing.
MJB
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I looove all the detail in this drawing...the way she seems to be walking out of a portal and the rest of the foliage following her is wonderful. It's just great work all around. i also really like her adornments and her sandals are awesome. Great work
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Thanks so much! Quite a revue, Des, you are truly delightful. Actually, I have a love-hate relationship with this piece. I never quite became what I wanted it to. I won't bore you with details, BUT, I've recieved some good comments on this one, so I guess the things about it that bother me don't bother everyone else.
MJB
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Well it's like that with any artist isn't it? You complete something and since you've been working on it for probably quite awhile (that's me anyway)...you've familiarized yourself with all the little flaws that you either can't fix or don't want to get into fixing b/c you're almost done and you just want to be done lol. So you finish the piece and you have all these problems with it and they just jump out at you - but then everyone around you adores it and you just roll your eyes and say thank you and keep on thinking about all the problems that they're not seeing. I definitely feel your pain - but now i'll say something (futile though it may be): It looks great and despite any flaws it may have i think it's wonderful. *crosses arms and smiles stubbornly*
And i am ever so glad you enjoyed my comment - 'tis my pleasure
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You are a sweetheart, and you are right about an artist being his/her own worst critic! But I think that's the way it should be. Otherwise, you will not improve. However, this particular drawing is one that I feel has way too many flaws in it. There are other drawings of mine that I like much better and am actually proud of. I'm not even sure why I posted this one, frankly and honestly,, this is most likely my least favorite piece in my gallery! I guess I posted it because it was there, ready to go, and I wanted to get my gallery filled up! Seriously, I'm not just saying this to get sympathy or attention. But, if you like it, that's okay with me. I won't hold it against you.
MJB
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Aww...that's really sad - what could possibly be so wrong with this little barbarion chicky that it would make her your least favorite piece? And i didn't think you were looking for attention at all - i totally understand your sentiments. And i thank you for not holding my liking the piece against me
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It's not sad, it's just the way it is. I'm not going to loose any sleep over what has come before. Time to move on. There are more drawings to be done before I die! BTW, I love your sexy pin-up photos. I'd like to do a drawing of you sometime if you are interested, as long as it doesn't cause any problems with boyfriends or anything.
MJB
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Oh yes - i understand...move on and improve 
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I'm not talking about any overt nudity. Topless is nice, but I don't want to do anything you'd be uncofortable with. If you have a photo or photos of yourself that you like, and think might make nice drawings/paintings, let me know where I can find them. I've always wanted to work from a model that I didn't find in an adult magazine. My days are pretty full with Real Life, and I can't promise when I'd get this done, but I am on the level! I'm not some weirdo trying to con you into something. But of course, that's just what some weirdo trying to con you into something would say. MJB
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As a rule i don't really allow nude images of myself to go around - some have been done that i didn't really know about (just drawings) and i didn't get angry or ask to have them removed - so i'm not crazy strict about it. It's just a personal preference (even though clothed photos/drawings can often be more provocative than straight nudity)...i am good friends with * skiesofchaos who does beautiful photo manipulations and although i understand that fairies just look better nude i always force him to cover me (i'm a bad bad little model lol).
As for photos - i have a few good ones in my stock account: if you'd care to look through there. Some of them would actually fit your style of illustration very well. If you see any that strike your fancy feel free to have a go
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Okay, that sounds good. I respect your non-nudity preference. Fear not, I'll make it sexy without any nudity! I'll take a look at the collection and see what I will see. I think that must be what I find appealing about your 'look', you aren't a super model, but you're sexy and appealing in a REAL way! If and when I get this drawing/painting done, how about if I allow you to do whatever you want , self promotion, with my drawing in exchange for permission to use your photo? Does that sound reasonable?
MJB
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Well there's no real compensation needed, but it sounds like a deal to me 
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Thanks Des, For what it is worth, and this isn't some creepy come on, a woman like you I find a thousand times more appealing than any super model. Everyone talks about Jennifer Lopez's backside being so big...What? I think she has the best ass in Hollywood!You know, it's all about attitude too! A woman with a less than perfect body, who is comfortable with her body and feels desirable will get my attention over some svelt aloofe conceited prig. Thanks for allowing me to use your photo. I hope you like what I craete from it.
MJB
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Oh i totally agree about Jennifer Lopez...i think she's one of the most beautiful, sexy women in pop culture. She's not painfully thin or really cut either. She looks like a normal woman which i think is great
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Yeah, "Gigli" sucked, but JL looked great in it!
Several years ago, my wife (girlfriend then),talked me into going to a Society for Creative Anacronism event. While there I met this woman who by most people's standards was fat, not particularly pretty, and she also wore glasses. I started to talk to her a bit and realised that she had a great sense of humor and was really comfortable with herself and her body. About the same time, a kissing game broke out and she chose me to kiss her. I wasn't all that interested, but wanted to be civil. She threw her arms around my neck and gave me one hell of a kiss! All of a sudden I found myself thinking that between her great attitude, sense of humor, and high self esteem, suddenly she was much more attractive to me. I've NEVER forgotten this incident. How you appear to others is so very dependant on your personal attitude.
MJB
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This is true...i suppose it just takes a strong person to be secure with his or herself and not worry what others think (which doesn't always happen, but we all try 
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The fact that you allow yourself to be photographed in sexy outfits clearly shows that you are happy and confident with yourself.
MJB
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Ahh...but couldn't that fact be seen as a cry for reinforcement that i am desireable (even though i have that reinforcement daily from a fiance who loves me) and an outward expression of the need to be desired? Allowing myself to be photographed in those outfits (as well as wearing them to begin with) is actually just like fishing for compliments...kind of sad really. But i am happy and confident with myself - most of the time
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Only YOU can make that judgment about yourself. But from my observations, and what little I actually know about you, I'd say that 'if' you were talking dirty to the geeky little boys who contact you, (and you are not)and 'if' you were a promiscuous person,(which I believe that you also are not) only then I would say that you might have a problem. There is nothing wrong with feeling sexy or attractive, THAT doesn't make you an 'object' although some groups/people believe that it does, and they want everyone else to believe it as well.
MJB
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this is true i suppose...it appears i do have some redeeming values 
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I sincerely believe that most pin-up images or erotic photos show women as figures of power not as victims. When some self-proclaimed femanist group, who claims to speak for all women, speaks out against erotica or even pornography, they fail to recognise that these value judgements must be made by the individual not some group with a handfull of people deciding what is best for all. I also believe that you have a lot going for yourself. You have no reason to feel doubt about what you do oir how you look and you certainly don't need any validation from me.
MJB
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i agree with you on this too - only that woman can choose her purpose in appearing in erotica or even pornography (look at Jenna Jameson - i'm no porn connoisseur but she seems to be quite a shrewd and intelligent businesswoman who is confident and happy with her chosen path in life).
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This is true. As a matter of fact, I have done some work with a second banana porn star named Taylor Wane. She isn't as attractive as Jenna, but she is a smart business woman and she sells herself as a product. She has a website, makes personal appearances, and she does quite well for herself! She lives in Beverly Hills!
Like anything else, if you don't like something,(erotica, porn, Rush Limbaugh) don't look at it. I don't tell people to 'Not Go To Church', because perhaps I don't share their religious beliefs. It's none of my business what they do with their life, and I expect the same in return.
MJB
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Yup...totally agree there too - i cannot stand it when people try to force their opinions on me. That kind of behavior is rampant on a college campus. 
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Years ago when I was in college, they used to do that shit too. I guess they figure that they have sort of a captive audience on a college campus. How would they like it if I came into their church on a Sunday, interupted the preacher to triy and give a talk on evolution? One time, on campus, some rolly-polly ultra conservative preacher was spouting his nonsense near the student center. He finally pissed off enough students and a group of big guys actually picked this clown up and carried him and his loudspeaker equipment down to the main road(off campus) and set him down. Those religious nuts certainly don't let things like scientific facts get in the way of their emotional beliefs. If their personal convictions are so unshakable, I've never understood why they can't just accept scientific fact ,yet still maintain their philosophy.
MJB
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Oh wow - i bet that was a site *chuckles* finally one of those idiots got what he deserved. The best that's happened to one of them on our campus is a group of students got together and debated with him - my friend and i didn't want to go to class b/c it was so amusing just to watch
As for the beliefs and scientific facts idea - i read that and just thought, "YES! Exactly!" My Anthropology 1 professor (who happens to also be one of the deans of the college) gave an entire lecture (his first one of the class actually) about how he is a devout catholic and believes in God and the bible...BUT how he is also an anthropoligist and knows evolution is a real, true thing. He just went on about how God would never have given him all this proof in the form of archeological findings if evolution wasn't real. He did this b/c apparently in the past he'd had students come to his office and give him angry diatribes about how they were Christian and they couldn't believe what he was teaching, etc. (ignore the fact that it's an anthropology class - what the heck did they expect?!) These students would then drop the class in a fuming rage. During his lecture he told the class what he would be teaching and told them that if they didn't like it, they might as well leave now. I just thought that he was awesome for that and he was a great example of exactly what you're talking about - you can believe and you can also know...
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You see, he's is secure in his philosophical beliefs, so he need not be threatened by scientific fact. I knew another so called Christian, who claimed that he was a very logical person and emotions didn't color his beliefs. He's talk about what vitamins you should take everyday and other health issues. He'd sight scientific fact when it supported something he believed in, BUT the moment you mentiuoned evolution...scientific fact went right out the window, and his emotions took control! I asked him about the fact that we have found bones of dinosaurs, didn't that prove the Earth was more than 2000 years old? His response was that dinosaur bones where a trick by Satan! Satan placed them in the Earth for man to find and consequently man would doubt the Bible and the word of God! Anyway, you couldn't have a serious conversation with him, because he was right and you were wrong.
MJB
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Riiiiiight - yep, i'm sure satan spends all his time running around burying dinosaur bones all over the world
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What's to finish? It conveys the appropriate feeling.
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For one thing, her staff, needs more definition. If you will notice, it's all the same color/value. I wasn't 100% happy with the original drawing, the face really falls flat, so as I did the digital coloring, I lost steam and just never finished it. BUT, I guess I like it enough to post it here, so go try to figure the artistic temprement/ego.Thanks for your comments.
MJB
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Yea, I understand what you're talkin' about. I'm not an artist of the graphic or drawing type. I think your work is pretty outrageous.
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Thanks, I'm glad you like it, but you understand as either a writer or visual artist, YOU must be your own worst critic or you'll never improve your work.
MJB
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AHHHH!! She's mad lookin! And the background and suroundings....so prettiful, teh colours are perfect, gives it a sense of old times when Barbarians wandered....*2 thumbs up*
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Ktee,
I guess you more or less like the Big Girl Drawings I posted.
Thanks,
MJBivouac
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Oh no, I'm not down. I guess I just wanted to acknowledge your comments but really didn't know what to say beyond what I did! Glad you enjoyed the Big Girls. Are you familiar with the artist "Coop"? He does big girl art and is he ever great!
MJBivouac
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You sound down, wazz'up? Of course i like teh big girls, its so different to the skinny ass ones you see around. Real women are more unique.
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