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mermaidp-uke In reply to nili-roshan [2015-10-15 04:20:25 +0000 UTC]

yess

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Vulpes94 In reply to nili-roshan [2015-10-13 01:10:15 +0000 UTC]

Totally love it! They are beautiful

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cristina-otero In reply to dvcomk [2015-10-13 10:36:00 +0000 UTC]

if you read this, you will understand: self-portraiture  

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cristina-otero In reply to dvcomk [2015-10-13 07:43:47 +0000 UTC]

Because all of my work (except 2-3 pictures) are self-portraits, so it's not about beautiful faces. Besides, I like my stretch marks

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dvcomk In reply to cristina-otero [2015-10-13 10:03:08 +0000 UTC]

I think people didn´t understood well my question and they start to discuss long way of the point.
I retouch photos and I see your photos are so very good edited... specially on faces.
So.. if you do such a good job, why don't do that on the scars?
(okay, i touch on the wound when I say that, but it looks like to say you don't care abou beauty standars when you do care on other parts of the photos)
But my question is not a moral question, but an artistic question...
NO ONE HERE ARE TALKING ABOUT TRUE... OR WE WOULD NOT MAKE PHOTO PRODUCTION, BUT POST MOBILE PICTURES OR ORDINARY LIFE. So... my point is just artisticaly speaking.. I am not in facebook.
I like your photos and had compliment on many.

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cristina-otero In reply to dvcomk [2015-10-13 10:33:51 +0000 UTC]

It saddens me you think I edit my work to make myself or models perfect. I love my scars, they compliment my skin in my work like nothing else. I think your comment wasn't artistically speaking. Art doesn't care about beauty standards (it's a lot more transcendental than that), yet you just pointed them out. Just look at the overal work, don't focus your eye in the least important thing. 

Don't worry, I didn't see any mean intention in your comment.

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JenWriting In reply to cristina-otero [2016-04-15 21:56:44 +0000 UTC]

I just want to say i love your stretch marks! The whole picture looks fab and i think the stretch marks are a beautiful part of that! It's so natural! <3 xx

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avalanchepark In reply to dvcomk [2015-10-13 01:47:39 +0000 UTC]

I had to look again to see what you took from this - I think your critique might be valid if her work was focused on glamour images - if you follow her you will see it doesn't and I find this image to be totally in her style which I love.

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dvcomk In reply to avalanchepark [2015-10-13 10:07:43 +0000 UTC]

The photos I most like of  her are those of faces.
Man, they has tons of photoshop.... but I don't say that as negative way, because I work with photoshop for about 20 years... So photoshop is my life...
My question is... if she make such a perfect job, what were the intention leaving the scars? Get attention of those who have scars too?
Shows that as part of artistic detail? Is it the scars fake just to compose her idea?
I personally didn´t like this detail..
About those who saw my critique as moral stuff... Do they like a beautiful house or an ugly one? Do they like to live in a beautiful city or a ugly one? Do they like a beautiful nature or a harsh one? do they like beautiful cars or ugly ones? do they like a beautiful sofa or an ugy one? C'mon... I am not evil because of like beauty...

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avalanchepark In reply to dvcomk [2015-10-14 23:44:08 +0000 UTC]

I think I understand your points

to my own eye they didn't stand out or detract but we each have our own esthetic.

I see a vulnerability in this image so  lack of perfection fits the feeling I take away from it.

Thanks for your explanation.

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dvcomk In reply to avalanchepark [2015-10-15 00:14:28 +0000 UTC]

I think there is a way to make myself understood in a easier way.
Think about a short fat bald man...
taking picture of himself naked dancing.. saying (I am bautiful and I don't care to standards)
Well.. when you are woman, you can do whatever you want and you have a legion of fans just because men hunt any woman.
But if you are a man and do that, you would se the reality.. if it fits as art or not.
So... okay.. I like her photos in artistic way and you too... but don't you think it's easier to show issues when you are a woman with other things to attract and make it become more acceptable?
It can be acceptable, but doesn't mean it's good.
Unless the photo would be called (MY STRECH MARKS FOLLOWS ME WHERERER I GO) i think it apears enough to pop too much on the photo.
I would put this photo on my room because of her face, and those red leafs.. it's all increadible... but the strech marks are stealing the attention.

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avalanchepark In reply to dvcomk [2015-10-16 01:42:21 +0000 UTC]

I understand your point - I do not react as strongly so it means less to me. Your critique of the image is a valid point of view. In the end the artist can understand how people react and decide what part of it all they want to follow.

I think I am overwhelmed by the parts you also see as well done and it is all I 'see' when I look at the image.

Again thanks for taking the time to help me see from your eyes.

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dvcomk In reply to avalanchepark [2015-10-16 07:58:18 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for the talk too.
(i can't resist to say that, but there is also the posibility she used the strech marks to archivos a high number of page views, favourts and comments, because nowdays is a easy way to catch attention, but intention of others is something I can't discuss because I don't have mind reader for know what others are thinking, but it is a possiblity...and then if a guy like me question it about it, it's like when the fish bites the bait, and give her the possiblity of make one of those boring campaings against beauty standards that oppress women bla bla bla).

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Blue-Anima In reply to dvcomk [2015-10-14 03:11:19 +0000 UTC]

The issue for me is the assumption that stretch marks are ugly. Personally I think they look like rivulets of stardust and I've never understood the issue. They're beautiful. I'm not just saying that, I genuinely enjoy them.
For this particular picture the shimmering marks may draw the eyes down, and I feel it's off compositionally, only because of the singularity of the texture in the image, and the downward direction of the lines pulls the viewer down when they should be going horizontally or in an arc back to her face. It's almost rescued by the wrinkle pattern on her sleeve and the vein pattern on her hand, which echoes the type of texture, but in the end I think it's not an ideal composition. Only because it's distracting, not because it isn't beautiful. If the marks went sideways (which I don't think stretch marks generally do, but if it did) then it would be to me a pleasing rather than detracting detail. As it is I guess I would want to somehow deemphasize them, not because of their nature, but because of their direction. 
For this image: fav.me/d91t82s the stretch marks are put to the best advantage, as well as for this one: fav.me/d8yucin In both instances it works because the texture frames the focus, in the first it frames the smoother flesh of her upper body, and in the second it frames the apple; in both instances it harmonizes with the other textures in the image.
So, when you say you like beauty, I feel the same... but don't assume your idea of beauty is everyone elses. I've always thought stretch marks were beautiful, no one ever had to tell me to accept them.  

(P.S. many are being very hostile, so please be aware my comment is not meant to be an attack of any kind. I'm just pointing out another point of view on stretch-marks. As Senj-Hime says, I don't see any mean intention in your comment. I hope the artist herself doesn't mind this discussion occurring on her page... )

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dvcomk In reply to Blue-Anima [2015-10-14 04:53:17 +0000 UTC]

Nice comment.. I didn't thought about that, but as a texture it is good. I remamber I had increased freckles of a girl in a photo that many people criticizes, including herself... but I found that increadibly good, because I was watching the entire photo as a pattern or a texture something. But a photo can be seen in many ways and my point of view was kinda too personal. I was watching as a photoshop work... and the others was looking at the photo as a portrait.
Well.. every person is a world, and I am like those who think a photo with photoshop is a place to fantasy a perfect world and she have a huge potential for that. So I see it as a waste of a great composition.
Other thing, is that I had been bored with the lynching of beauty... nowdays, if someone is beautiful (specially in some parts of europe) so it's whore, bitch, idiot or bad person... and I don't stamp people because they look.. ugly or beautiful too.. and my first question is about that.. if were it intentionaly because of art, because of this lobby against beauty or a distraction... But for me the scars took all my attention on this photo... But the author rules and I just observe.
The images you show on those links, I think they are much better, because they are not inside a world of beauty to be shocking (I don't like shocking struff, I like harmony). In that context it was very okay... I could make someone's wrinkle as subject too. (with good taste always).
I think i had been too hard, but.. is it beautiful? Ask everyone with strech marks if they want keep it or take it away, and then you have the true answer if it's beautiful or not.
AND finaly... what the problem in photoshop a strech mark if all women uses make up? To photograph people as they really are we should let them naked in the wild for 20 days and they we would remamber that humans are the most disgusting animal in the planet.. that's why we must have shower, clothes, brushing hair and use perfume. These people who says that phtooshop a strech mark is not show people how they really are is stupidity... People as they really are would be in the freak gallery.
About those people who was hostile.. well.. people nowdays are kinda fanboy of everything and you must love or hate all you see. And if my critique comes from a profile with huge boobs I am sure that many would come say I was right anyway. Unfortunately DA are geting close to a ordinary social network, not art network anymore.
Thank you so much for your comment I really apreciate it.

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Blue-Anima In reply to dvcomk [2015-10-23 05:31:43 +0000 UTC]

Hi! Sorry for the late reply, I can be kind of slow with replies.  
I'm glad you enjoyed what I wrote. 
Yes, I agree that depending on what the photo is meant to be for, different things are appropriate. I think most of Senju-Hime's works are personal portraits, however, this is just my opinion and others my not agree. 
I'm not entirely clear what you mean by the lynching of beauty: you mean beautiful people are considered more likely to be bad people? Perhaps this is true... I am not from that part of the world, but I have perhaps seen a little of this. But perhaps you mean beauty no longer being valued? I think this happens too in some artistic circles too... although I wouldn't consider this a part of that. 
So you are saying also that since it's a glamor shot, you would like it to be fashionable and only have textures that enhance the glamor? I see that point, although I don't feel that way, I can understand that point of view. 
Are stretch marks beautiful? I don't know. Beauty is subjective. I have them, and I like them; I like them better after they fade so that they are white instead of red, because red marks look painful (even though they aren't) but I do genuinely like them. Before I knew what they were I thought they were cool. I guess it depends. 
Yes, well, the general plague of the internet is getting offended too easily, lack of empathy, and over-emotional responses. But there are lots of virtues on the internet too... It's just who you bump into. 
You're welcome, I also enjoyed this conversation. 
I don't want to be much longer however, because this is an artwork instead of a forum, so I'm not sure if it's appropriate... However I've enjoyed reading your response! Thank you for your thoughtful reply. 

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dvcomk In reply to Blue-Anima [2015-11-01 18:36:04 +0000 UTC]

Now it's me who have to ask sorry to late reply, but not because i took long to read, but because I had to read carrefuly some times to fully understand.
I love when someone really understand my point of view (I don't expect people agree, but just understand).
Yes, in a glamour photo, I like when it has contrasts that enhance the glamour.
It's too personal.. but I am like that for everything, including food.
I don't like food made with lot of ingredients, but few ingredients for I feel the taste of what I am eating, not a mix of too many things. I like mix when this transforms in a real thing, like flower + egg + watter + heat = bread. So, new ingredients are nice as long as they contribute to a real transformation.
Back to the glamour photo, I like details that enhance the meaning of the photo.
THAT'S WHY I ASK IF IT SHOULD BE SEEN AS A GLAMOUR PHOTO OR A PROTEST AGAINST BEAUTY STANDARDS... just to understand the intention of the artist.
Personally I don't like strech marks...
I start to become bald, so I cut all my hair because i don't think a man half bald is beautiful.
I am far from being beautiful but I do my best to please others and I don't think that please others is a bad things... I have friends, girlfriend, partners, many people I relation with that I am all the time trying to please them and they do the same to me. That's why I use perfum instead to swear the entire day and go to a metting on closed room.
So, when I photograph, it's not just for me, it's for others too.
Obvioulsy I photoraph what I what on the way I like, but I expect others like and I feel great when they do. Sometimes I change to please others and it's not a surprize that it become better including to me also.
But my question of that, on this photo is because i am a huge fan of her as an artist, photographer and model... So, this photo could be perffect as a glamour and she preffered let the strech marks (it's her right) and I would do different.
BUT.. if I had done different, the photo would not be so cool, because she is much better photographer, model and retoucher than me.
So.. I think that it's all said and this topic (glmour photo vs strech marks) are ended.
Thank you so so so much for your reply and feel free to contact me for future talks whenever you want.
And congratulations for the artist, this photo is stunning. If would be a simple bad photo, there would have no one talking about it.

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LeaStretch In reply to dvcomk [2015-10-13 00:08:43 +0000 UTC]

LOL that last line really got me. 30% of the world's land mass is dedicated to ANIMAL agriculture, NOT vegetable, and 70% of that land is cleared rainforest. That is a fact. You are a very, very ignorant and unpleasant person to say things like this- not to mention equating leaving stretch marks unretouched (which literally every woman and man has somewhere, so why not) with people who care about the environment. Imbecile!

www.onegreenplanet.org/animals…
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic…
www.fao.org/newsroom/en/News/2…
science.time.com/2013/12/16/th…
www.news.cornell.edu/stories/1…
www.worldwatch.org/node/549
www.globalagriculture.org/repo…

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DaddyHoggy In reply to dvcomk [2015-10-12 21:18:46 +0000 UTC]

Did you not notice that this is a self-portrait? Which means Cristina posed everything in this picture - including her own stretch marks. Perhaps you could spend a few moments reading her blog about why she does this rather than being so judgemental about what is beautiful about the human form, you shallow little man.

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dvcomk In reply to DaddyHoggy [2015-10-12 22:30:05 +0000 UTC]

... deeeerr.. what you said didn't change anything about my coment.
I know that many of those photos are self-portrait.
Sorry if you never read a critique.. just forget.
Scares are ugly anyway. If you just know receive compliments.. I am sorry.. age will bring indiference for everyone.

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