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Great - I am working on a video for #ExpoGate and would like to feature this - here is a preview: www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzavqn⦠can I get your permission, please?
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Oh, sure thing - thanks for asking for permission. Good luck on your feature.
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Oh wow, this is great. I find a cool artist and it turns out that he's a fucking gator.
SMH
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I would have thought that you'd find the fetish stuff more 'offensive' than whatever it is you think Ian is.
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Damn, that's a much more aggressive comment than I'm used to leaving. I'll normally at least try and be flatline or something, but it's hard when I keep seeing shit about censorship when, honestly, these people shouldn't have access to the internet. Or they should grow up and stop believing their terrorist assault on the idea of visible femininity is the moral high... I get that it's your norm. It's how you all have always lived your lives and that it works for you. That's why you coalesce to create 4chan. But it doesn't work for everyone. Not everyone /is/ treated well. Not everyone /can/ speak up the way you are. Sadly, that one's caused in large part by you all. You view any attempt at change in the status quo as unnecessary, but the status quo is only perfect for you. Why not hypersexualize women? We've done it for so long and it's worked fine for us. Sure it's fine to deem outright femininity as a joke. Tits or gtfo. No one on 4chan's complaining. Girls don't play games. I never see them on /v/. Breaking character for a second, that's because you've created a culture in which, to be treated as human, a girl must be "one of the guys." If you never saw her in real life, you'd never know she was a girl. Because male is normal and anything not normal is harmful to society, because we're doing great as we are. The problem is, male isn't the vanilla, the default. It's just one thing. To be female is not to be male, but also other. It is just one thing. Β We are not doing great as we are. We are living in a society where it's okay to terrorize people with realistic, informed rape and death threats and, if you're not okay with participating, you point at yourself as a counterexample while still reaping the benefits of those doing so. No, I won't change your minds, and no I don't really expect this comment to stay up very long, ironically enough, but I'm hoping someone who agrees will see this and maybe understand the situation a bit better.
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this is so ignorant and you're not helping at all.Β every rant like yours lessens us in the eyes of game culture and society as a whole because it makes us look weak and helpless.Β stop trying to force people to adopt your toxic, victim ideology.Β i'm not a victim and i'm not somehow damaged by sexualized women, but that makes me "the enemy" to you and your vicious ideologues.
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What? I'd love it if people would stop attacking women for not conforming to industry standards. I'd love it if people didn't think less about those who spoke out. I'd love it if people didn't belittle those who spoke out by saying they're playing the victim instead of actually acknowledging that people have had different experiences than their own. I'd love it if people weren't called liars for attempting to better the lives of themselves and those in similar positions. I'd love it if there wasn't such a thing as sexneg feminism so people would stop assuming it was all, most, or even a goo amount of feminism. I'd love it if transectionality didn't take a willingness to learn to be taught. I'd love it if people woldn't assume the worst of my or my peers' intentions because they call for change. I'd love it if intentions were all that mattered, because then there would be no need for radicalism of any sort. I'd love it if I could simply look at you, know that, since you mean well, it doesn't matter that you oppose me morally. However I cannot write off a dismissive, silencing, self-centered behavior simply because I know you aren't a bad person. Similarly, you cannot write off what to you appears to be a personal attack on people who are thriving in today's society, because you love the way things are and don't want them to change. I'm glad you are in a good place. So are many people. I'm not, and neither are many of my friends, colleagues, and acquaintances. I honestly believe that making society more accepting to people of our experience would not make it any worse for those of yours. You are of course entitled to state your opinion, but please do not attempt to keep others from stating theirs.
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The gaming community is actually extremely open to other people, but there are always assholes in the midst of every group.
However, gamergate formed to combat corrupt journalism, that had adopted religious like dogmas or modern day feminism and social justice, as huge majority of gaming journals weren't impartial, they had full network to communicate with each other and decide what is ok to broadcast and what is not.
Why feminism and social justice attacked gaming communities? Because there weren't those issues they so preach about in the gaming community at all, thus they had no power inside it. Funny thing too, there isn't much of a gaming community among feminists or social justice warriors either. The movements have also taken a serious issue of attracting people with personality disorders who only cared about themselves and as it's becoming more similar to a religion, it has become more violent too, it's even selling "heaven passes in envelope" to people already, and well, they don't do much charity work either today as they use money from those to further their movements power in the government, with self-gratification about "saving" one life while sacrificing ten lives at the process.
And the majority of evil misogynists and racists they (feminists and SJWs) have encountered, were mostly trolls, and knowing trolls never care about anyone, not about gamers, not about anyone.
Most of the times feminists and SJWs are now just trying to create a new marxist communist society, and everyone knows that communist societies don't last very long and can become extremely abusive towards their own people in attempts to prolong the society's ever so brittle lifeline.
On another thought, why are there hypersexualized women in some games, usually because it's either dumb developers (common for cash grabs), greedy publisher (they think they know what gamers like) or it's that the game is targeted for male audience and there isn't much expectation for female audience to play it and there isn't much of way to cater towards a minority group of women who play those games. However, most of the female gamers don't really care about hypersexualized women, same thing for male gamers, both sexes just don't care about hypersexualization,
as video games are an escape from reality and satisfaction to the primal instincts that would otherwise manifest violent and deadly behavior towards other living beings.
as for feminists complaining about games, there is a clear indications of them trying to play genres they don't like, example one complained alot about games with Mature rating and targeted towards male audience. Then the same feminist critic wents on praising games with platformer or simple puzzles. And well, the same critic was involved in development of a game, which she also gave a huge score to, talk about corruption and lack of impartiality.
Most of the time it's the same old messages from feminists and SJWs: "If I don't like it, it should not exist at all!" "I decide what you can do and what you can't" "You're either with us or you're against us" "You're either a feminist or you're a misogynist" (talk about narcisstic-, histrionic and anti-social personality disorders with absolute "No choice" mentality)
Well, majority women with minority men play those simple platformers and puzzle games, like candy crush, while they will have no interest in games that majority men and minority women play and vice versa.
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"No, I won't change your minds, and no I don't really expect this comment to stay up very long, ironically enough, but I'm hoping someone who agrees will see this and maybe understand the situation a bit better."
No one's going to agree to that because you have an incredibly warped and slanted view on what /v/ thinks of women in gaming, based on something that trolls do. A lot of anons on 4chan (that aren't from /pol/) are big on equality, which makes this kind of rant look like you didn't do very much research.
Point in fact of you not doing research; you taking things out on Vivian when Vivian was created to represent a charity effort meant to help women in gaming. That's really, really low.
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Fine Young Capitalists is not a charity group. How can anyone think a group calling themselves "Capitalists" would be charity?
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Capitalists donate to charity all the time. Β They just generally distrust government mismanagement and prefer private charities and programs that foster productive work, as with the game developers in this charity.
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I'd buy that if I didn't know they started AFTER Zoey Quinn started a similar project.
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She didn't invent game jams, it isn't evidence of fraud anyway, and my point about free market capitalists supporting private charities stands.
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Also I like your Link pictures. They're cute.
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Why does she look like Mabel Pines from Gravity Falls? Just saying.
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To look "cute" so that people will think she's innocent.
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I have a feeling you don't even know the characters personality, lol.
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What personality?She exists solely to put words into a seemingly less-hateful mouth. Her personality is whatever the artist/Goober wants it to be. The only reason she's not /v/'s mascot is because /v/ didn't want anything to do with the group she represents.
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Goes to show what you know:
"Most aspects of Vivian's personality are intentionally left somewhat ambiguous, allowing her to become a "blank slate" for the viewer. In general, she portrayed as apathetic, cynical, and somewhat lazy, traits which are intended to reflect the personality of the "average" /v/-goer. Vivian is apathetic towards any issue that is not directly related to video games, and she is typically portrayed as spending most of her time either playing video games or browsing the internet."
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I don't care what you think of Gamergate, the fact that you're trying to convince people that a character that was made to help put women into the games industry, and reflect the attitude of the average gamer as a "seemingly less-hateful" version of /v/ is rather pathetic. Also, I find it funny how you say "The only reason she's not /v/'s mascot is because /v/ didn't want anything to do with the group she represents." considering /V/'S THE ONE THAT FUNDED THE PROJECT.
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Then how come almost every circumstance where she might appear has been banned from the board? How come almost every usage of Vivian is used to denote hateful messages towards women? How come this character "made to help put women into the games industry" is colored to reference a rape joke meme?
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Except it isn't. Gamergate is NOT about women and so your premise falls rather flat. Her messages are almost exclusively about Progressive Feminism (which you know is genderless - you can be Progressive Feminist and male or Against Feminism and Female) or about Ethics in Journalism (or lack thereof).
I do not think your point of view is misinformed. I think it is blatantly dishonest.Β
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What the fuck are you talking about???
Vivian and Gamergate were banned from 4Chan because Moot's become a sellout. Have you not heard of the 4Chan exodius? Google Moots Gamergate Sellout more more.
Please cite some of these "hateful messages towards women" and I'll get back to you on them.
What does this even mean? I've seen this exact post on Tumblr, with a perfect shutdown of a collection Β of characters with the same green purple palette (Piccolo, Barney the Dinosaur, ect) Hell, even my main character has green and purple!
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Yes, I'm aware of it. Moot became aware of the kind of crap people were getting away with on his board, so he put a stop to it. It's his site, he's well within his rights to ban that talk.
How about just about any message someone with her as an avatar tweets to women like Zoey Quinn or Anita Sarkeesian?
Are you not aware of "Daily Dose"? Because her color scheme is a direct callback to itΒ knowyourmeme.com/memes/piccoloβ¦
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Nope.Β
encyclopedia dramatica.se/File:Stillgamergate45.jpg Who does he hang with?Β
encyclopedia dramatica.se/File:Mootlegg5.png Who is his girlfriend?
Hmmm... he is dating a Feminist who works at Gawker and attends conferences full of Progressive Feminists.Β
Maybe he is biased against Gamergate and FOR Feminists....maybe since he has been dating said Feminist and hanging around with Feminists?
Barney the Dinosaur, Problem with his colour scheme too? What about Clapping hands? Does that Trigger you? prefer "Jazz hands"? Any other inconsequential things to find faux offence at?
EDIT: Broken links
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Then you should know why Vivian isn't /v/'s mascot already. Besides, Vivian is very much seen as the daughter of /v/ (They already have a personification of the board), and there are quite a few pictures of the two together.
It's true there is a minority attacking Zoe and Anita directly, but I don't think I've seen any comics depicting Vivian as such, so you're wrong there.
How do you know that the Daily Dose is what specifically inspired the colour scheme? I've never seen any documented GG boards stating the palette is inspired by it, and even if it is, almost everyone has evidently forgotten it's stupid origins, people just think it's a good colour scheme, as do I.Β
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I have. It's a damn real thing.
I'm willing to think they're more aware than you suspect.
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Well, from what you've shown me, it's clear that you have no idea about what Vivian James or GamerGate are really about, so I think I'm going to stop replying now.
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Vivian is the mascot female gamers deserve. I don't even consider myself a /v/irgin (only a /d/eviant and a fa/tg/uy) and I'm disgusted that she's being censored. It makes you start to think the whole system of having janitors doesn't work properly.
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You mean, one created by men, in an effort to spite a woman who was the victim of mass sexual harassment? Frankly, I can't see why more women don't want a mascot like her.
So, mods are in fact a BAD thing, then?
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Yet women of gamergate have no problem with her. In fact CultofVivian has avatar of her cosplay dressed up as Vivian. Your narrative is misguided
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Do you believe everything you're told? Just curious...
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I believe what I've seen.
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stop.Β just stop.Β you're not helping anything.Β in fact, you're making things worse.Β we do not need a man to rescue us from whatever you think is out there.Β
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What, like people like you, who enable the abuse that this character mascots?
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And what did you see exactly?
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That GamerGate is nothing but a bunch of lying scum-sucking smegheads.
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And what lies have they told?
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That Foldable Human was distributing child porn, for one.
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My understanding is that he was. Or he was lying about there being pornography on 8chan. Either/or.Β
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Okay but what proof do you have of this? I'm kind of having trouble in finding this.
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